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MPREZIV 2007-03-14 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS (Post 93562)
I can jsut picture Lisa in the garage now...


"WHO DO YOU LOVE???
[kick]
THE CAR!
[kick]
YOU LOVE THE CAR!!!
[kick]
...
[SMASH]"

:lol:

Ok, that's funny! :lol:

GST Mike 2007-03-18 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry (Post 93560)
Yeah, I'd rather not do that. What I need to know though, is how many miles I absolutely have to put on the motor before we can tune it... I don't know that I'll have the time to put 1000 miles on it. Last time I built the motor, I had a week off during Xmas break to do laps around the bay area in the car.... this time I'm going to bring it back to Reno (I think) and I'll just have an hour a day or so to drive it around.... can I get away w/ 500 miles? Less? More? I don't want to screw up the motor, but the season is looming, only one month from today!

I don't have an answer for you that your going to want to hear then mate :(

Good news is the motor is going to be back with us this week, Hydra arrived already things are certainly happening.

Mike

AtomicLabMonkey 2007-03-19 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS (Post 93562)
I can jsut picture Lisa in the garage now...


"WHO DO YOU LOVE???
[kick]
THE CAR!
[kick]
YOU LOVE THE CAR!!!
[kick]
...
[SMASH]"

:lol:

It happens. :| :lol: Maybe not with the actual kicks but certainly with the words...

sperry 2007-03-19 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GST Mike (Post 93847)
I don't have an answer for you that your going to want to hear then mate :(

Good news is the motor is going to be back with us this week, Hydra arrived already things are certainly happening.

Mike

Awesome!

I'm not surprised about the break-in time... It'll just be a challenge to find the time to drive it. As long as the weather stays decent, I should be able to pull it off... and if I have to co-drive the 1st round, I think someone might be willing to loan me a seat.

8URSTI 2007-03-21 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GST Mike (Post 91159)
703whp on a AWD car at the moment on the cars previous tune at 640whp it ran 138mph trap.

Mike

What car is this? is it from Reno?

dayofpain 2007-11-05 12:13 AM

Name: Phil (Dayofpain)
Car: 05 Sti
Mods: MadtyteJdMYO
Wheel HP: 372.2 @ 6000 RPM
Wheel Torque: 377.7 @ 4750 RPM
Dyno: (GST Mustang Dyno Hayward, CA)

Dean 2007-11-05 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dayofpain (Post 109111)
Name: Phil (Dayofpain)
Car: 05 Sti
Mods: MadtyteJdMYO
Wheel HP: 372.2 @ 6000 RPM
Wheel Torque: 377.7 @ 4750 RPM
Dyno: (GST Mustang Dyno Hayward, CA)

Sweet tight mods yo...

JC 2008-03-21 09:48 PM

Name: JC (JC)
Car: 2003 EVO
Mods: TBE w/ high flow cat, Walbro Fuel Pump, GST boost pill, Tune by Brian @ GST
Wheel HP: 254 @ 5800 RPM
Wheel Torque: 251 @ 3800 RPM
Dyno: Mustang @ GST Motorsports 03/20/08 16:40

100_Percent_Juice 2008-03-21 10:01 PM

Evos make tasty power with very little mods. Nice work.

MattR 2008-03-22 06:59 AM

I forgot to add my off season retune.. Switched from EcuTek to Cobb Accessport 2.

Mods: Cobb Accessport V 2.0, Injen CAI, Invidia Catless TBE, Gruppe-S Header (Coated)
Wheel HP: 286 @ 5000 RPM
Wheel Torque: 318 @ 3500 RPM
Dyno: Mustang @ GST Tuning, Hayward, CA 12/3/07 11:00 AM

Joeyy 2008-03-22 12:06 PM

Nice numbers Matt.

JC 2008-03-23 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MattR (Post 116118)
I forgot to add my off season retune.. Switched from EcuTek to Cobb Accessport 2.

Mods: Cobb Accessport V 2.0, Injen CAI, Invidia Catless TBE, Gruppe-S Header (Coated)
Wheel HP: 286 @ 5000 RPM
Wheel Torque: 318 @ 3500 RPM
Dyno: Mustang @ GST Tuning, Hayward, CA 12/3/07 11:00 AM

Ya just update the first post with your numbers not mine you bastard. Nice TQ numbers, I'm jealous.

MattR 2008-03-23 10:10 AM

Sorry Dude. I'll get on that soon.

murphy 2008-07-11 01:19 PM

been a long time since I've posted here..how you all doing? anyway got my 03 Evo on a dyno dynamics dyno ( heart breaker dyno) for some tuning while I was down here in Phoenix...ambient AT 112+deg 30% humidity Nice and hot!!!!!
35o whp & 335 wtq
youboob vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z26QJJzoew

sperry 2008-07-11 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by murphy (Post 121096)
been a long time since I've posted here..how you all doing? anyway got my 03 Evo on a dyno dynamics dyno ( heart breaker dyno) for some tuning while I was down here in Phoenix...ambient AT 112+deg 30% humidity Nice and hot!!!!!
35o whp & 335 wtq
youboob vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z26QJJzoew

EVO3!?!

How/Where's the 7?

murphy 2008-07-11 02:09 PM

whoops 03 evo haah my huge bad..the 7 hummmmmmm after the ecu getting fried through a huge snafu. I sent the ecu back to Aust. to be fixed got it back and it still did not work so back it went Have not been back yet to try it out again been in Phoenix for bout 3 weeks. so with luck I'll be back on the stick when I get home Or I'll part the damn thing out, have lost almost ALL motivation for it

sperry 2008-07-11 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by murphy (Post 121099)
whoops 03 evo haah my huge bad..the 7 hummmmmmm after the ecu getting fried through a huge snafu. I sent the ecu back to Aust. to be fixed got it back and it still did not work so back it went Have not been back yet to try it out again been in Phoenix for bout 3 weeks. so with luck I'll be back on the stick when I get home Or I'll part the damn thing out, have lost almost ALL motivation for it

Damn... first, damn 'cause I thought you hooked up a sick-fast old school EVO... and second, damn 'cause that RX-7 project isn't running. :mad:

Hey, let's swap that RX7 rotory into my SVX! :devil: :lol:

2004silversti 2009-02-28 04:12 PM

Name: Eden
Car: 04 sti
Mods: FP green 8cm, wbr fmic, sbr external wastegate uppipe and dump tube, tial 38mm wastegate, perrin blow thru mass air flow sensor pipe, pe 850cc, and walbro fuel pump.
This is on 109oct at 26psi.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5...en04sti109.png

Dyno: tuned by ed with his dyno software here in reno about 6 months ago.

cody 2009-02-28 05:34 PM

:eek:

100_Percent_Juice 2009-02-28 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 2004silversti (Post 129123)
Name: Eden
Car: 04 sti
Mods: FP green 8cm, wbr fmic, sbr external wastegate uppipe and dump tube, tial 38mm wastegate, perrin blow thru mass air flow sensor pipe, pe 850cc, and walbro fuel pump.
This is on 109oct at 26psi.

Dyno: tuned by ed with his dyno software here in reno about 6 months ago.

I think I might have met you before. Are you friends with Cory? If you're the person I am thinking of, I met you about a year ago when Ed was tuning Cory's car and my friends wrb bugeye. You didn't stick around for a tune that day but I remember your tires were bald as hell.

2004silversti 2009-02-28 11:24 PM

No your probably thinking of Jason. He also has a silver sti with a green. I never run bold tires but I now that jason does lol. His car is pretty damn fast.

100_Percent_Juice 2009-03-01 08:58 AM

Ah yes, I think that was jason.

Jcjentz 2009-03-16 07:46 AM

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Jon (jcjentz)
2005 lgt limited
perrin tmic-perrin tbe-aem cai-cobb v2 stage2 w/modified throttle map
243.6 awhp @5750rpm
294.1 awtq @2500rpm
tuned by Miles @FineLineImports Santa Rosa Ca. w/mustang dyno

check out that base run torque 309.4 @2500rpm

sedonabugeye 2009-04-28 12:32 PM

thats really good low end torque!

sperry 2009-04-28 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sedonabugeye (Post 133222)
thats really good low end torque!

Torque on an auto is a weird beast. The torque converter before lock-up can multiply the motor's output dramatically. Not to say that's not real torque at the wheels, since that's the whole point of a TC (multiplying engine output), but it pays to remember that that's not exactly what the motor's putting out.

I bet if that graph wasn't cut off at 2500 rpm the peak torque would be closer to 350! :eek:

sedonabugeye 2009-04-28 08:38 PM

i forgot it was an auto.. and ive worked on the car.. haha. its a really nice leg.. def one of the nicest (and quickest) around

wrxkidid 2009-04-28 09:33 PM

Wait, but if it is being read at the wheels then how is it not what the car is putting out? Sorr I have absolutely no knowledge of how automatics work at all.
Lock-up is where it engages correct? So do they have a set RPM where this is achieved?

sperry 2009-04-29 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrxkidid (Post 133302)
Wait, but if it is being read at the wheels then how is it not what the car is putting out? Sorr I have absolutely no knowledge of how automatics work at all.
Lock-up is where it engages correct? So do they have a set RPM where this is achieved?

No, it's the real torque at the wheels. But that's not the actual torque at the motor at that rpm because the slipping of the TC allows the motor to run at a higher rpm than the detected wheel rpm and multiply the torque output of the motor to the wheels. So when the dyno chart shows 300 ftlbs at 2500 rpm, it's very possible the motor was actually turning at 3000 rpm and making 260 ftlbs. So, if you're interested just in seeing what you're putting to the wheels, then the chart is fine, but if you're interested in tuning the engine at 2500 rpm, well that TC means your data is potentially skewed.

TC lockup is relatively consistent, but will vary a bit based on temperature, load, and probably rpm rate of change.

Jcjentz 2009-05-02 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sedonabugeye (Post 133282)
i forgot it was an auto.. and ive worked on the car.. haha. its a really nice leg.. def one of the nicest (and quickest) around

ya Miles came into town and fine tuned it for 4500ft elevation..
he ran his program and est. 255awhp 320awtq now.. did you ever have Ed tune you Andy?

renosubby 2009-06-17 11:54 AM

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07 sti
TBE
and MBC
Dyno reads close to Ed's
Tuned by me..

cody 2009-07-08 02:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cody (Post 51536)
Name: Cody
Car: 2003 WRX Wagon
Mods: Crucial UP & DP, Borla Hush CBE, K&N Drop-In, Heat Wrapped Stock Headers (3rd Cat remains), Intake Silencer Delete, Omori Boost & EGT Gauges, Cobb Protuned by Equilibrium Tuning
Wheel HP: 208.3 @ 6370 RPM
Wheel Tq: 210.8 @ 4050 RPM
Dyno: Equilibrium Tuning Road Dyno (very comparable to the Gruppe-S Mustang Dyno)

Ed of Equilibrium Tuning road tuned my car with Cobb Protune. It was a low 90’s degree day in Davis and the roads were practically baron. We started by taking a baseline pull. Ed commented that my car’s Advanced Multiplier was only at 7 out of 16 so he wasn’t surprised when my car only put down stock-like numbers despite my mods.

He then loaded a base map he had made and we returned to the road dyno. The car came alive like it never had before. The map was damn good from the get go and only got better over the course of the next few hours as he fine tuned it. We did about 10 3rd gear pulls and a couple 1st through 3rd gear pulls and 1 shift to 4th gear. I was surprised how much power the car was making. Ed was surprised how fast my car hit target boost (a hair over 17 PSI). It was a whole new car. No more stepping on it and waiting for the turbo to spool up. Some people have been replacing the OEM boost solenoids with an inexpensive GM one that helps response. The stocker often has a hard time getting to the top couple PSI. My car didn’t have this problem. Ed said it acted like it had a MBC. :cool:

This was the first time Ed has ever tuned a car with Crucial pipes and we think that could explain the better than normal boost response. It was incredible how fast the boost needle would swing to 17 and just stop on a dime every time. He said twin dump DP’s are much easier to tune for than bellmouth. But even taking that into consideration, he was very impressed with my boost response. I think the ceramic coating and streamline design are what make all the difference.

Thank you Crucial and thank you Ed! You both get 10 out of 10. :D

Here's my before and after graphs, overlayed for comparison.

When Ed was up recently, he offered to give my car a checkup down at his shop in Fairfield to make sure that my tune is safe at sea level. So last Friday I stopped by and he was very impressed with the fact that the tune was totally safe at sea level and really didn't require any tweaking at all. He did make a couple tweaks but he said he wouldn't even bother flashing the new real-time map or base map he made me. This was pretty impressive given that this tune was made at 5200 feet. Also, it felt damn fast! Even in 80 degree weather with two large guys in the car and my injectors maxed out, the AFR's were safe and my car felt like a beast. At sea level, the turbo spools up fully by 2.8K RPM and the car feels so torquey!

Big thanks to Ed. I now feel safe romping on my car at any elevation. :D

Car: 2003 WRX Wagon (105,000 miles on the clock)
Mods: Crucial UP, DP and High-Flow catted Mid, Borla Hush CBE, Heat Wrapped Stock Headers, IC Y-Pipe, One step colder Denso Irridium plugs (with like 50K miles on them), Hallman Pro RX MBC (16.5 PSI on the stock turbo), Walbro Fuel Pump, Intake Silencer Delete, Omori Boost & (dead) EGT Gauges, Cobb Protuned by Equilibrium Tuning
Wheel HP: 219.8 @ 6260 RPM
Wheel Tq: 224 @ 3860 RPM
Dyno: Equilibrium Tuning Road Dyno

100_Percent_Juice 2009-07-08 05:36 PM

^That is great to know.

Sakast 2009-08-25 12:51 PM

Dyno Numbers
 
if he calculated at 13, it should be around 252 or so. IMO, just put down what dyno number ya got on that dyno. It doesnt make sense to calculate it. Sometimes its right, other times its not.

I put down 236whp on a DD, and 249 on a DJ. Different days, different temp. Thats not really a 10 isnt it? More like 5-6

cody 2009-08-25 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sakast (Post 138910)
if he calculated at 13, it should be around 252 or so. IMO, just put down what dyno number ya got on that dyno. It doesnt make sense to calculate it. Sometimes its right, other times its not.

I put down 236whp on a DD, and 249 on a DJ. Different days, different temp. Thats not really a 10 isnt it? More like 5-6

What post are you responding to?

MikeK 2009-10-06 08:22 PM

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I found a pile of dyno charts while I was cleaning up tonight, I thought I would post them all. All the charts are from the same tuner on the same dyno, so they can be compared.

Here is my car totally stock

MikeK 2009-10-06 08:23 PM

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Fuel pump, catted TBE, custom tune:

MikeK 2009-10-06 08:24 PM

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Added GT Spec headers (later switched to gruppe-s headers because I couldn't take the sound! They made about the same power):

MikeK 2009-10-06 08:26 PM

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APS Intake
APS Inlet tube
APS 525 FMIC
APS BOV
GM Boost solenoid
Fuel pump
FP Green 8cm2 exhaust housing
PE 850 injectors
Catless TBE

One graph is 91 octane, the other is 100 octane

MikeK 2009-10-06 08:27 PM

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Swapped the FP Green for an element GT52 turbo.

91 and 100 octane graphs:

MikeK 2009-10-06 08:28 PM

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FP Green vs GT 52, 100 octane. There is no comparison! The feel of how laggy they were was even more pronounced on the road than these charts show. The GT 52 was a great turbo!

MikeK 2009-10-06 08:38 PM

Right now: Fuel pump and cobb stage 1 map :(

I can't believe how slow a stock STi feels now. When I first got it it was the fastest car I had ever driven :lol:

Here is what I would do if I mod the car again based on everything I have learned:

- I would keep a cat in the exhaust. The tiny difference in spool and power was not worth the extra noise and stinky exhaust.
- Stick to a TMIC ... the FMIC did its job perfectly ... but it was still a giant pain in the neck. Not worth the hassle IMHO.
- I will keep the stock muffler on. I have no idea how much power that would give up, but being the loud douche bag of the neighbourhood got old. It was half the reason I hated driving my car the last couple of years (the suspension was the other half!)
- A smaller turbo is probably better! The car on the GT52 on 100 octane was truly insane. On the street with snow tyres on it is hard to drive in a straight line going up a highway on-ramp. I loved this thing! However ... 100 octane was fucking expensive, and I usually was lucky to get 130 miles out of a tank! On 91 I think the car was actually more fun on the stock turbo. On 91 the small extra gain in power was not worth the extra lag of the big turbo. On 100 octane it definitely was. Also I had a good run with reliability on my engine, although having a fantastic tuner (Mike W. at GST) probably had a lot to do with that ... but a smaller turbo will always be safer for the engine than a larger one.

So I would think long and hard before going larger than a 20g sized turbo, and just stick with 91. Although on the other hand, if E85 ever comes to Reno :devil:

renosubby 2009-10-11 02:09 PM

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...ory06wrx91.png
my old 06 WRX with 20g and every supporting mod you can think of!
going through photo bucket and saw it

bign 2010-06-21 06:47 PM

Here is my 20g tune

link to thread with more info

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/power-br...5-20g-8cm.html

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4752/dyno9jun10.jpg

Dean 2010-06-21 06:58 PM

Nice!

Put it the right format from the first post and I will add it if you want.

bign 2010-07-02 03:45 AM

Oh sorry, skipped to the last page and missed that.

Name: Nick
Car: 05 STI
Mods: See link http://www.iwsti.com/forums/power-br...5-20g-8cm.html
Wheel HP: (318 ) @ (6000) RPM
Wheel Torque: (332) @ (4750) RPM
Dyno: (Mustang @ DB TUNED)
_______________________________________________

baddog685 2011-03-01 11:06 PM

laptop dyno #'s
 
Name: Justin
Car: 09 wrx
Mods: injen intake, tsudo downpipe(catless), 3" to dual magnaflows, stock ecu tune
Wheel hp: 315
Wheel tq: 350
Dyno: Not ran on dyno, ran on laptop during tune by Mayhem Tuning

Kevin M 2011-03-01 11:13 PM

I have to say, I find it difficult to believe that even the improved turbo of the '09 WRX at stage II can make 350 torques to the wheels.

sperry 2011-03-01 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin M (Post 155266)
I have to say, I find it difficult to believe that even the improved turbo of the '09 WRX at stage II can make 350 torques to the wheels.

Certainly not at reno's altitude.

But you can make a laptop road "dyno" read pretty much anything. Hell, even an actual dyno is pretty hit or miss for accuracy.

Edit: some quick math says 315 awhp = 437.5 hp at the crank... On a stock wrx turbo. I think Mayhem needs to recalibrate his laptop. That's more than just "optimistic".

A1337STI 2011-03-02 08:19 AM

Anyone know of a cheap awd dyno day coming up?

I'm tempted to do a before and after dyno of my rally car... i should have a lot of options for the before since its still 2wd.

Dean 2011-03-02 08:57 AM

Updated first post for stuff from, well, longer ago than I'd like to admit.

If you are an active club member and I missed yours, repost in the right format or point me to it please and I will add it.

Mike, Did you get a Dyno chart now that you went back to stock exhaust, etc?

I am not going to add all this laptop dyno stuff except stuff from Ed which is fairly realistic.
My guess on some of the other stuff is they are just putting in the dry weight of the car, not the curb with driver weight. If you don't know what your car weighs, get it weighed. On a quiet day, some places that weigh trucks and such like the recycling place will tell you if you ask nicely. (Note where your gas level is)


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