Alright... having Alan and Gary breathing down my neck is great positive stress... I got into the 1 minute flat range! :devil:

Here's the in car video for you snipers to analyze and use against me.

I think a 1'00.5xx is possible if I can run the same lap and hit all my apexes... you'll note in the video that I'm not using all the track. I don't think a 0'59.xxx is possible, at least not for me... my hat's off to anyone that gets under 1 minute... that's a hell of a flying lap. :eek:

One last one for the night, I eeked out a tiny bit more... now it's time to go to bed!

is that the jap version of tourist trophy?

I guess I won't penalize you for going off the track in both tunnels Scott. :P Nice lap Mang.

If there is pavement but it's off track that's not two wheels on the track.

If that is any indication how much better you drive with a steering wheel setup, I wont have to turn my license in! :lol:

:) I don't think I care too much because I haven't attempted this challenge at all yet, but it's noteworthy to point out (redundant).

Are burms counted as the track? or is the track defined by painted lines or is the track just any non-dirt/grass area? Do the pits count as track? What about access roads?
What if I jump over a shortcut?

You can jump shit on-track. The track is basically the road, not the pavement on the other side of burms, or the pavement on the inside of turns.

I think the track is the primary surface, and any red and white striped burms. I don't think pitting is an advantage since there's a speed limit. Jumping over a shortcut is okay as long as your wheels are always above "track" as defined above.

Does that mean Spizzle's lap is null and void? I mean we had to learn what was a no no and what isn't somehow right?

Yep right.

No I don't care, too much Counter-Strike and RE4 lately.

Have to ask Gary about this one but during a race/ qualifying lap, you can run off the track if you want to (sometimes not tha fastest way around I'm sure), as long as your not cutting across corners. If you can get a faster time by utilizing the curbs or the pavement on the other side of a curb I say go for it. In GT4 it usually slows your speed when you drop a tire off the curb so there's probably not a huge advantage. And I highly doubt that's the reason Sperry's times are so good, he's just very precise and has his apexes down perfect. I would imagine too that if you have a good steering wheel and pedal set-up, it allows for more smooth control of the car, ie. smooth steering input, smooth acceleration, and especially comes in handy when trail braking and coming off the brake pedal, you can do it smoothly instead of the on/off gas and brake buttons on the controller. I'd like to get one but with PS3 right around the corner I don't want to waste the cash, that and setting up a steering wheel and pedal is a pain unless you have, like Gary, an actual chair and frame set-up so that you can sit proper. My wife would kill, I'd never leave the plasma...haha.

:roll: I guess that's what I get for taking the time to capture and post my in-car video to help people lower their times.

I guarentee in a race, *every* car would be using the line I'm using. It's not like I'm ditching through the dirt to cut off the corner, which is what I understand was the intent of the rule. I've got 2 wheels on the paved surface at all times, and I'm not cutting across the grass to get to the paved surface like I could at a track like Fuji 2005.

So you guys tell me, what's the intent of the rule? To prevent cheating on the tracks where corner cutting/wall riding makes a huge difference, or to allow nit-picking of someone's lap when they use all the available paved run-off? IMO, if it's paved and I don't have to leave the pavement to get there, it's part of the prepared racing surface.

How 'bout those of you that are complaining post up some times. As far as I can tell no one that's posted a time is complaning about my line. Plus, my video has been up for about a week... if anyone had a problem with my line, why wait till Tuesday to say something?

Because this challenge is number 47 on my list of things to do. It doesn't really matter, I was just asking because I don't think I see racers do that, but then again this is a game, which is why it doesn't matter.

:lol: A race driver will use every last bit of tarmac, and then some.

Take a look at the final hairpin at Sears Point during the NASCAR race... the cars are completely inside of the curbing and inches from the barrels.

...actually, just watch GarySheehan's in-car at that very corner!

http://www.teamsmr.com/movies/2003%2...%202%20Lap.wmv

yeah but 2 tires are still inside the curb. If you use that standard, last hairpin on your lap all 4 tires are outside the curbing.

Look closer... the car is completely inside the curbing.

HAHA, I just noticed this. I mean the line, I saw the video but that's funny what you said. I think we aren't on the same level, as far as I see, the red and white goes all the way under your car, from right to left, in two seperate sections.
I dunno, is this inside still (meaning the left side of the car is still touching the track)? Or outside? :?:

But then also, we can just say whatever is pavement counts, which would end all of this!

I admit, I am driving completely over the curb to use the pavement on the other side.

What I disagree with it that this is somehow driving "off the track", since I am not leaving the prepared surface. If Polyphony is gonna pave it in the game, I'm gonna drive on it.

Now, if Gary and Alan aren't using that pavement and if they feel that it's an unfair advantage for me to use that line, since they're actually taking time to compete, I'll go run some laps tonight 10 inches further left to keep my tires in contact with the painted curb.

That's what I'm saying! Let's just say if it's paved drive on it. I'm just glad we got on the same level. Every new game needs to have it's rules and exceptions ironed out before running perfect.

Is that Tourist Trophy game for Japanese PS2's only or will it work on US models? Is it a good game? I bought the Isle of Mann Motorcycle game and it sucked.

Alan's got a JDM PS2... TT isn't out yet in the US, but it should be here soon, IIRC.

I'm good with Scott's using the pavement outside the exit curbing in the tunnel. It's realistic and I've done it myself on-track, and it is legal.

If it's unpaved, I'd say as long as you've got the inside wheels on the apex curbing, it's also legal. Very apparent in BTCC.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

BTW...got down to a 1:01.1 during a morning session after changing the gearing. Still need to spend some more time with the gears to get the times down. You guys are hauling the mail!

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

Oh, someone to dethrone sperry? The suspense!

Yeah dustinr, that's the JPN Tourist Trophy, should work if your PS2 is modded. Can't tell how good a game it is though, the last motorcycle game I play was on SNES. At least it doesn't suck. GT4 engine, GT4 tracks, found 1 new track so far - Valencia.

I'm running a top speed gearing of 300 kph... seems to just about top out before T1.

Taller gearing doesn't really seem to help, because even if you get an exceptional run off the hairpin, the car is nearly to terminal velocity at 300 kph so you can't really run out of gear.

What kinda sucks is that with a few minor suspension tweaks to loosen the car up, I can run sub 1'00 laps all day in GT mode... the arcade car is really pushy in that 3rd/4th gear left hander after the 1st tunnel.

Yes. I think that's the most important corner on this track. Well, that and the hairpin.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

The hairpin is obviously the most important corner... it's before the longest straight... however, you either get it right or wrong... there's not a lot of room for improvement, at least I haven't found a way to be much faster in that corner than I already am.

However that medium left sweeper seems to have 3 or 4 different lines and I can't tell which way is fastest. I've taken to driving it as a double-apex... early 1st apex, shift to 3rd and use the torque to rotate the car, late 2nd apex, get a run towards the hairpin.

Gary, do you have the means to record and post your in-car replay? I'd like to see your line if you're willing to share!

Scott,

I haven't got a video capture card right now. I'll save them just in case I get one.

So what's the fastest lap of this challenge so far? Still you with a blazing 1:00.90?

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

1'00.932, but I just ran a 1'00.937 w/o "cutting" the curbs that everyone was complaining about earlier.

I think I can shave off another .2s or so if I can nail every corner all in one lap... but that's not necessarily within my ability. :lol:

Oh, and I picked up a capture card specifically for this stupid contest... :lol:

They're not exactly high quality, and the software could be better, but there are a few rather cheap PC cards out there:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&ATTR4=&ATTR5=

The on I got isn't even listed anymore, and I just got it like 3 weeks ago. :lol:

Well, doesn't hurt to try, right?

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

Woops. I forgot to include this.

http://www.teamsmr.com/images/GT4/Mi...el Astra 2.jpg

I think I can shave off another .2s or so if I can nail every corner all in one lap... but that's not necessarily within my ability.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

I'm cool with changing the wording of the rules to "two wheels must always remain on pavement" instead of "on track".

And the only reason I haven't posted a time is because I have only gotten 1'03's so far.

Crapola. :lol:

I was going to wait until about 11:30pm tonight to post that, but decided that's not in the spirit of the game :)

I think you can beat it, Scott.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

Well, as soon as I finish eating my bowl of -0.6s chili, I'm gonna give it another whirl. I figure I've got time for about 200 laps... the question is whether or not I can put it all together on one of those laps... but that's the whole point of time trials, isn't it!

Don't know if you guys are up to the challenge but see if you can duplicate those lap times with the normal PS2 controller. I'm curious to see how many second advantage the wheel and pedal set up has. That might be all the push I need to go buy them...

When you use the wheel and pedals, it almost feels like you're driving. That should be all the push you need.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

OMG you plan to run nonstop? You're nuts.

He's Scott.

Well, it's kinda like looking for something you lost. Once you find it, you don't have to keep looking.

...plus, I think I may have figured something out, there's a glimmer of hope yet:

Hey Gary... look familiar? :lol:

Told ya!

Looks like you figured out the trick to this car.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

Actually, I changed my line into T5... I'm early apexing it now and using 3rd gear under the tunnel.

Gary, you wanna come out to the Time Trials this season? I need this sorta pressure to improve my driving in real life! :lol:

In what car, my Spec Miata?!

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

Are you fucking kidding me? You guys are tied?

I was getting into 5th coming out of the tunnel. 3rd in turn 5 as well.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

Sound like we're running the same line... though I'm actually short shifting to 5th a little.

Also... tenths are no longer up for grabs... I'm now driving for hundreths. ;)