That was awesome. :lol:

I got a 1'11.182 in my first ten laps and couldn't beat it in the subsequent 42. :?: I have much to learn.

Actually, I can't seem to beat that spin-out lap... I ran a nice clean looking lap, and I'm .5s off the pace. Gotta love GT4's rally engine... :roll: I swear, a rally car in GT4, on rally tires, in gravel has less traction than my SVX in real life does on ice.

Have you tried a snow track? That shit's even worse.

1'09.5

Snow racing is retarded!

Lame. I thought you were talking about just getting crossed up at the finish line. You hit just about everything there was to hit!

Unfortunately, that's not in the rules and double-unfortunately, the only way to enforce it if it was in the rules would be for everyone to submit their videos.

Oh well, looks like I'm going to have to start crashing to get faster laptimes :)

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

I told you my lap was a mess... I just got lucky that it was kinda fast. I can't seem to go that fast if I intentionally hit stuff, or if I drive clean. I have to *accidentally* hit stuff. :lol:

I ran a 1'05.7xx with a "realistically" clean line... so it's not impossible to go fast w/o hitting stuff. It's just way easier to use the edges in some spots... kinda like the WRC guys use the snow banks in Rally Sweden. One corner is especially bad... the long left 5 tightens to 3 after the left 2 into right 2. The "proper" GT4 line is to setup a *massive* drift that slows you down to nearly a stop where you then accelerate out of the tighter corner. The "real" line would be to drive the fast part of the corner "grip", then drift the slow part of the corner. The "fast" line is to just crash into the outside edge of the turn and ride the wall with your foot on the floor. :roll:

Also, I had to turn the force feedback on my wheel down to prevent burning out the motor. Being smooth doesn't seem to work for me... I have to saw that wheel like a lumberjack to keep the car pointed the way I want it with my foot on the floor.

Is anyone else starting to hate GT4 rally as much as I do yet? Sure it's fun to go slide around in the dirt, but if you're looking for consistant lap times for competition purposes, GT4 rally is just a bunch of crap.

I like Tahiti Maze.

It's less consistant because you're sliding so much. I'm pretty sure my lap is clean. I'll see if I can videotape it.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

Well, since I know the "new school" (Petter Solberg/Seb Loeb) style of rally driving is to reduce drifiting as much as possible, I gave that a major effort... but I'm just faster sliding a lot. I was guessing that the GT4 people made the cars slide way too much for a reason, they want you to drift. So, I've been trying to drive the way the game is programmed, not the way real life works.

Like that long tightening sweeper I mentioned earlier. Driving the realistic line is just slow compared to hanging the back way out... and really slow compared to just bouncing off stuff. :lol:

Hey I use GT to pratice for rallycross, I don't know what driving on snow is like, but I like GT's sim on dirt. I have to say the feeling of the transition between the dirt and pavement is pretty good too (like Cathedral Trail 1 or Tahiti Maze). Maybe you're just taking advantage of the collision behavior too much.
Anyway I haven't done any laps since trying those few laps last week, and probably won't have time to do any tonight either. Playing GT4 is major effort since I have to drag the WRX seat out of the closet and clamp the steering wheel down and go through the whole production. I don't have a convient setup like Gary does :(

My setup is very convenient. I hold the stearing wheel between my legs and but the pedals up against my coffee table while I sit on the couch. Can you say GHETTO?

Mine is too, I reach into my drawer and pull out a controller! :lol: I do wish I had a wheel though.

My DS2 time is better than the wheel ... 1'05.577.

Of course it is... the wheel sucks for rally... you can't turn it fast enough, and I'm not good enough to not have to correct quickly. I'm gonna lose 10 lbs with all the exercise this challenge is generating... and break my wheel! :eek:

Haha be easy.

Seriously. My wheel sounds like it's destroying itself. Part of me wishes it would so I could get a better one.

They all do that, just let it do its job, its not going to die on you.

damn. :p

Well, I'm down to 1'07.395. Two hours to go.

1'05.844 Getting somewhere finally.

Okay... ran a little cleaner lap... but I'm still bouncing off stuff.

One hour to go.... who's gonna snipe the win? I certainly don't deserve it w/ my messy-ass laps.... but I'll certainly take it so I can pick something fun next. :devil:

Hate to do this to all of you still running laps:

Bastard! :P

Congrats Scott! I can't wait to see that 1'04.

I'm going to bed. I hope to update the first post tomorrow night, but I'm boarding all day and working all night so we'll see.

Not even a gravel track can stop Scott from winning?

You guys are going to *hate* my 1'04 lap... but it proves my point about the realism of GT4's rally...

I'll have the movie, and a new challenge up shortly.

What did you do, wall ride?

Apparently, braking is not the fast way through the 1st turn. :(

That's true for a lot of turns in GT4, not just rally tracks.

Okay, here's the video from my fast lap... don't hate me too much for my borderline driving.

http://www.seccs.org/gallery/Car%20P...6_1-04-016.wmv

Now, onto the next challenge!

(You had to know it was coming...)

Mazda Raceway, Laguna Seca
RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX-7 (JGTC) '04 (it's one of the JDM tuner cars)

Both the car and track are available w/o unlocking anything. This challenge should run a lot like the 1st challenge at Sears Point. Laps should be in the 1'15 to 1'20 range.

Oh, and one more thing. I compiled my exteral camera replays for TT1-TT5 into a 100MB movie if anyone wants to check it out the 1st 5 challenges.

http://www.seccs.org/gallery/Car%20P...CS_TT1-TT5.wmv

You have much time on your hands. Much.

Um, the video capture takes as long as watching the replay. Then I drag and drop them into that crappy Windows Movie Maker, and then drop an mp3 on there for audio.

The longest part is waiting for it to upload to the server... and that takes about 10 times longer than making it!

Is there any way to save the replay of just your fastest lap? When I save replay, it saves the whole session.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

Scott,

Watched your lap. That's shameful!!!! However, I will say that was the nicest execution of the 2nd gear hairpin after the esses that I could imagine. That was sweet! I still can't use the e-brake to my advantage.

How about we add a rule that you can't use walls or obstacles to assist with you're laptime. Essentially the top guys will be on the honor system.

It takes all the fun out of the game for me if I know that I've got to find ways to "cheat" physics to get a fast lap.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

I just assumed that no wall riding is the standard rule along like keeping your wheels on pavement. Serve me right for not reading! Finding loopholes in rules, now that's racing!

Gary, I think the 6th icon is the one to save fastest lap. I don't really know though, my copy only has 1 save option.

There's 2 options. One saves the replay, then the one further to the right saves the fastest lap ghost replay. However, I've never been able to see a replay of the ghost. I always have to race against it to see it. Is this something that shows up in Replay Theater? I thought it wasn't.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

I think you watch it in replay theatre, I'm not sure, I never watch it.

I don't think it asks to save a file name with it...

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

Well I'm out!

Gary, that save ghost option does save a replay that can be viewed in the replay theater. That's how I save and play mine.

And yes, my lap is shameful. Though, in my defence the really bad use of the wall (1st turn) put me about .1s ahead of my ghost lap. It was the e-brake turn through the switch back that shaved off nearly a second... something I probably couldn't duplicate in 200 attempts. Which is the big problem I have with GT4 rally... a fast lap seems to have too much to do with luck... and a bad lap with egregious mistakes (like crashing into walls) can be just as fast as a beautiful lap. In the non-rally courses, it's nearly impossible that a mistake can result in a faster lap. In rally it seems to happen all the time.

With regards to a wall riding rule... I think it's unecessary. The current 2 tires on track rule will pretty much prevent people from wall riding on most tracks, cept maybe Monaco, but I guarentee youu it's faster to stay off the walls there than to try and ride them. The only place it's really useful is in the rally, and making it a rule will really invalidate a lot of laps due to accidental contact.

I think no wall riding should be explicitly stated. If contacting a wall causes you to have the fastest time, then maybe it is reasonable to say that lap should be invalid.

Anyway, we don't have to worry about that on this track. Low 19s for LSIR. My game has a bug, it will randomly not record the fastest lap for the ghost on LSIR.

Bemani, I hate rules that punish the honest and reward the dishonest. I agree with you that wall riding should be discouraged, but unless we require videos (which would make it hard for most people to win), a rule like that is hard to enforce. I know we're already on the honor system with regard to the no shortcuts rule though. I guess it's really the same. Whatever you guys want to do, but my suggestion is that you ask the rule maker to clarify if there's any question as to the specific rules for a challenge. The fewer hard-to-enforce rules, the better IMO.

First post updated (finally).

I'm in the 1:18's. I'm sure Sperry is sub 1:10's already...

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

Me too.

:lol: I think a 1'17 will probably win it... I think my best time right now is like a 1'18.9 or so, but I only ran 15 - 20 laps to get there.

So far I've found the biggest place to make up time is T4. If you can get the car to turn in and get back on the throttle just right, you can take that corner nearly flat out... which make a *huge* difference down the straight between T4 and T5... but you gotta time the turn in just right to put the car on the apex and run-out curbs... too early or late and you're in the dirt and it's a wasted lap.

Whew! You scared the shit outta me when you said "1:15-1:20"!

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

I've taken T4 completely flat. It was beautiful. I can't find the turn in point again though.