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sperry 2007-03-17 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bruspeed (Post 93808)
One quick word of advice, If this is you're first experience with suspension mods, and their effects on handling, be very alert to having you're bar set to the stiffest setting and normal street driving, The off throttle over steer could really put the fear of god in you. Not to mention on throttle. On ramps and off ramps can be especially hairy, with the car pottentially getting out of shape fast.

Mine has scared me a couple of times. Just thought I'd share.

+1

I had a friend roll his months old '01 2.5RS testing his new rear swaybar.

Dean 2007-03-17 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry (Post 93814)
+1

I had a friend roll his months old '01 2.5RS testing his new rear swaybar.

+2!!!

I just noticed it is in the stiffest setting. 24mm solid bar on full stiff on the street can get you in trouble quick. Be very careful.

eggeegg 2007-03-17 10:18 PM

i didn't like the stiffest setting too much. definitely don't need it for daily driving. i drove around a bit in the middle setting today to get used to it, going on/off ramps, dodging dead rabbits on the road and such. big difference from the stiffest and stock. i know what you mean about being careful, especially going fast on the highway and avoiding cars/obstacles in split second decisions.

wrxkidid 2007-03-18 08:20 PM

if you went 24mm rsb on the stiffest setting then a 24mm non adjustable fsb would it still be as prone to oversteer?

the hotchkis bars are 25mm each :wow: if the 24 stiff is scary i dont want a 25mm bar.

Kevin M 2007-03-18 09:05 PM

Technically, yes it would be exactly as prone to oversteer. The added front grip from the FSB will make you less prone to washing-out over steer and more prone to snap oversteer, because you will be able to turn-in faster with the extra front grip. Basically, mod if you want but work your way up to the new limits slowly.

Also, hollow bars like the Hotchkis are not as stiff as a solid bar of the same outside diameter, unless that's an adjusted rating. Without looking at the chart I downloaded from Whiteline a long time ago, I'm guessing a 25mm hollow Hotchkiss is in the neighborhood of 21-22mm solid bar.

Dean 2007-03-18 09:11 PM

Hothchkis bars are hollow with different wall thicknesses depending on application.

For the rear, the 24mm solid bar is about equal to the 25.4mm street bar if I recall correctly. For more info on hollow vs. solid, look here:

http://www.hotchkistuning.com/bin/Mi...SwayTech-D.pdf

wrxkidid 2007-03-19 11:57 PM

snap oversteer...like more abrupt like no oversteer to 180 in like .123124 seconds not like slow motion type oversteer?

MPREZIV 2007-03-20 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by wrxkidid (Post 93870)
snap oversteer...like more abrupt like no oversteer to 180 in like .123124 seconds not like slow motion type oversteer?

Exactly. The rear of the car will be apt to simply swing around on you at a FANTASTIC rate!

NevadaSTi 2007-03-22 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MPREZIV (Post 93872)
Exactly. The rear of the car will be apt to simply swing around on you at a FANTASTIC rate!


That sounds like a load of fun!!!

On a serious note, since I now have a 32mm FSB, how would my car differ if at a later time I wanted to put in a RSB?

Kevin M 2007-03-22 08:53 AM

It would be more willing to rotate. Meaning, it would be easier to get a little bit of a slip angle going in the rear. But, if you ever decide to leave AS, just plan on coilovers or at least good springs first. Start with the important parts then add the accessorizing parts. Flavor to taste so to speak.

Dean 2007-03-22 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NevadaSTi (Post 94064)
That sounds like a load of fun!!!

On a serious note, since I now have a 32mm FSB, how would my car differ if at a later time I wanted to put in a RSB?

Adding a stiffer rear bar will decrease rear roll at the same time transferring weight to the outside. So depending on how the car handles with the FSB it is likely to stiffen the rear and assist in rotation.

If you aren't going to change springs/struts, sway bars are a good way to change handling characteristics.

AtomicLabMonkey 2007-03-22 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean (Post 94068)
Adding a stiffer rear bar will decrease rear roll at the same time transferring weight to the outside.

Rear roll angle is the same as front roll angle, assuming you don't own a car as floppy as a '57 Eldorado vert. Stiffening a swaybar at either axle reduces overall chassis roll angle.


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