I dunno... imagine an RX-8 with 300+ hp and 300+ ftlbs of torque. Assuming the Subaru version is indeed sporting the STi motor, it's basically going to be a Vette with 1000lbs less weight.

But even if we're talking about the 200hp N/A Toyota version, it's still going to have a massive advantage over the RX-8 in terms of low-end torque, thus killing the B-Stock class, IMO. If it went to AS, it'd be a huge underdog meaning you'd have to have to go straight to BSP to be competitive, assuming it's a BSP car which seems pretty likely.

I think the NA version makes sense as a CSP car actually. It's heavier than the current CSP winners but has mroe power and can run more tire. The turbo motor variant would probably be in AS/ASP though. Like you said, it's basically a light Corvette.

86 Fanboi Edition

http://www.hachiroku.com.au/blog/wp-.../ft86-chop.jpg

Where's the street racing light-post impact damage?

Let me see what I can come up with in Paint.

What a racist.

Hahaha! Nice one Bobby.

Haha, love he JDM noob driver tag on the door too.

Look what turned up at the 'ring.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/13/t...ype-spy-shots/

Reminds me more of a 135.

The first batch of pictures are in from Tokyo...

http://cache-09.gawkerassets.com/ass...x_topshot4.jpg

50 more pictures can be seen here: http://jalopnik.com/5381432/toyota-f...s-mega+gallery

Well, some random website I've never heard of has "confirmed" that the Subaru version will have AWD + turbo

http://www.7tune.com/confirmed-bigge...r-subaru-216a/

Why would the STI version be taller?

For 6'4" 'mericans.

I thought we just got wider seats.

20mm is probably just from taller wheels/tires and/or more AWD-appropriate ride height.

I'm calling bs on that "confirmation". Not that I wouldn't be happy to see a turbo awd version, just that those dimensional changes don't appear to be enough to fit the motor in front of the front axle and I don't expect to see Subaru develop a whole new awd layout just for this car.

Plus a photoshoped image from that site isn't exactly "confirmation". The don't cite any real sources. At this point I'm still in believe it when I see it mode.

Yeah, you're right. There's no way that car can run the current Subaru AWD setup.

ring video

Maybe so they can design AWD into the platform?

Or more likely, so they can kill the whole project slowly.

Bump!

A lot of news since this thread was last bumped, but the big news is that the Subaru version finally has a name. The BRZ.

http://jalopnik.com/5833452/

Cool car broz.

I've been keeping up on the toyota version, and they've done some interesting things with the EJ20. The completely recast the block, and are running direct injection. I'd like to see the changes in person.

I don't know why subaru has not switched to direct injection, they are falling behind the times. I was hoping to see it when they switched the body style in '08.

The revision to the EJ motor that went into the 2011 Forester is purportedly the first step in a DI motor. The 2012's are supposed to finally have direct injection. Not that it will likely be in the turbo motors that soon. But Subaru has to really do something to get their mileage up... it's too big of a selling point these days, and people don't understand the reason Subaru's mileage numbers aren't as good as other 4-bangers is because of the AWD losses.

I wish part of their MPG solution was to lighten up their cars...

with all the modern safety standards I'm not sure they can really do a lot in that area though...

Not that this really says anything that the Jalopnik didn't but...

http://www.subaru-global.com/11frankfurt/teaser/

Subaru is teasing the presses with a "Concept STi" version of the BRZ to be unveiled at the LA Auto show in two weeks.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/n...led-2011-11-01

They released a pic, but say it isn't the same as what will be unveiled.

Some more "photos"

http://jalopnik.com/5855327/subaru-b...lery/gallery/1

Not bad. Looks like an RX-8.

Closer to the real thing

http://jalopnik.com/5860120/

Important bits:

Here they are the GT-86, and the BRZ.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/s...led-2011-11-29

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/t...led-2011-11-28

The BRZ looks so much better than the GT-86.

At 0:46 of the GT-86 video there is a really sweet looking badge.

And here is the Scion version that the US will be getting instead of the Toyota.

http://jalopnik.com/5864045/

Basically the same as the Toyota version.

EDIT: I didn't notice this before.



This must be the badge you were talking about juice.

Yeah that's the one I'm talking about. Only the one is the video is painted and looks way better. Here is a screen shot.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/thumpyJ/badge.jpg

i saw the scion version at sema. looked amazing! i was really surprised and i think it was the coolest car at sema 2011.

It took me a long time to figure out what that logo was. For a long time, I seriously did think it was a stylized BS.

That was the concept car at SEMA, no?

I actually think the production Scion FR-S is rather ho-hum... at least the interior is friggen plain/cheap. Of course, that's the point, I guess.

The production BRZ's interior is a lot nicer... but the exterior is boring. Looks like the best version is the Toyota GT 86 we're not getting in the US (as usual). That said, if this car is as fun to drive as the reviews are hinting, and I fit in it, and it's in the $25k range... I may change my plans of picking up an older 911 in favor of a new BRZ.

Well then, good news for you!

http://jalopnik.com/5864550/

Nice... since I wouldn't get the Limited model anyway. Who wants leather in a car like this? In fact, it's a shame the car comes with Nav standard... I'd rather have no stereo.

Of course... $24,000 on launch day is $32,000 after the dealer markup on a "limited production" car. :mad:

Road and Track has their test drive article up.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/dr...013-subaru-brz

The reason I'm posting this here?

Because race car


Edit: I can also see "Proud of BOXER" becoming a thing.

Sick.

If I didn't need awd, I'd consider that for the next car.

Even around here, I can get AWD in a Subaru for under $5k. This car has me re-assessing medium-term financial planning.

Yeah.. I don't need a sub-$5k shitpile, I already have one of those. My next car is going to be actually nice..

I was going to say... Who really wants a sub $5k Subaru? Especially when any awd Subaru that barely runs is worth about $3000, I can't imagine what $5k gets you.

...unless you want an svx of course. Because $6k will get you my svx and it's in great shape.

How does this compare to something like the Hyundai Genesis Coup? Without doing any of my own research, wouldn't the Hyundai be faster for the same money?

The 2.0T coupe is 210 hp, but in a bigger car with 500+ more pounds. That's $23K. The V6 adds 100hp, and 100 lbs for $27k.

So, I'd personally take the base BRZ (or even the scion) over the 2.0T. Since there is no BRZ STI, the v6 genesis coupe might be a beter deal for straighline speed. Everyone is raving about the BRZ handling, though, so I'd probably still test drive both.