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Nick Koan 2009-05-01 08:28 AM

And all the new regs for budget capped teams. for operating under 40M GBP. They get constantly adjustable wings, engines with no rev limit, more powerful KERS systems, and - in theory - four-wheel drive. They will also be allowed unlimited out-of-season track testing with no restrictions on the scale and speed of wind tunnel testing.

The bugdet cap doesn't include drivers salaries, hospitality, fines/penalties, engines (for 2010 only), any expenditure which doesn't affect the championship and dividends (and taxes therein) gained from competing in the championship.

There will also now be 26 slots (13 teams) in the championship and new teams can now get $10M and free freight of 2 chassis, 10,000 kg of other freight and 20 economy class tickets to every non-European race.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9290.html

sperry 2009-05-01 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 133519)
And all the new regs for budget capped teams. for operating under 40M GBP. They get constantly adjustable wings, engines with no rev limit, more powerful KERS systems, and - in theory - four-wheel drive. They will also be allowed unlimited out-of-season track testing with no restrictions on the scale and speed of wind tunnel testing.

The bugdet cap doesn't include drivers salaries, hospitality, fines/penalties, engines (for 2010 only), any expenditure which doesn't affect the championship and dividends (and taxes therein) gained from competing in the championship.

There will also now be 26 slots (13 teams) in the championship and new teams can now get $10M and free freight of 2 chassis, 10,000 kg of other freight and 20 economy class tickets to every non-European race.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9290.html

Well shit, that sounds so cheap! Let's pool our money and start SECCS F1! :rolleyes:

If the budget cap doesn't include things like engines, how the hell is it a cap? Teams already spend 10's of millions on engines alone... and they'd probably spend more if they had it.

Plus the bonuses for the capped teams are hilarious... AWD? You can't develop it properly under the cost cap. Unlimited testing? Unlimited wind-tunnel use? It don't matter, you can't afford it either, 'cause you spent all your money trying to get your higher power KERS batteries reliable enough to last through qualifying. Higher rev limits? Only useful while the cap doesn't cover motor costs... but then again, if there's an 8 motor per season limit, you can't really risk spinning the motor to 20k anyway.

So really, the only thing the cappers have to combat Ferrari's $200M budget is constantly adjustable aero. :lol:

Dean 2009-05-24 06:38 AM

How in the hell can they start a race without telling them what the penalty for "4 wheels off" in the chicane is? That is insanity! FIA at it's best.

Nick Koan 2009-05-29 08:05 AM

I guess this is really more 2010 silly season stuff, but today was the deadline for 2010 entries.

Campos, USF1 and Williams all submitted applications before today. Today, the rest of the FOTA teams as well as Prodrive and Litespeed have submitted their applications. I believe that leaves 4 teams with 3 spots up for grabs.

Nick Koan 2009-05-29 03:45 PM

And it looks like Lola submitted their entry too.

http://www.crash.net/formula+one/new...o_the_fia.html

And there is a possibility that the Prodrive application will actually be called Aston Martin, but run by Prodrive. Looks like a deal was made with Bernie to use the Aston Martin name, basically guaranteeing them a spot on the grid.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...enter-in-2010/

Nick Koan 2009-05-31 11:25 AM

And Wurz has lodged and entry (as Team Principal) for a new team called Superfund.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75753

skimonkey30 2009-06-06 07:40 PM

dont forget race is on fox this weekend!

wrxkidid 2009-06-07 04:26 AM

Yea was definatly watching tv at midnight tonight...got all excited when i saw the F1 race then missed it cause I made an irresponsible decision...I hate college.

So if anyone has this season of the F1 races on there DVR and have a way of burning them I am down to supply the DVD-Rs and buy you dinner cause I have missed every single race because they are on at obscene hours of the night...

MattR 2009-06-07 08:42 AM

Its on at noon today on Fox.

wrxkidid 2009-06-07 01:52 PM

Me = Fail

Joeyy 2009-06-08 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattR (Post 135352)
Its on at noon today on Fox.

Now I know why my DVR didn't catch it.

Dean 2009-06-08 04:09 PM

Replay Tuesday @ 10am on speed.

Joeyy 2009-06-08 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean (Post 135386)
Replay Tuesday @ 10am on speed.

DVR should catch that one. Thanks Dean, you made my day.

sperry 2009-06-10 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeyy (Post 135381)
Now I know why my DVR didn't catch it.

My DVR couldn't find it because Fox's listings for pretty much all day Sunday were "TBD". :mad:

I had to wait for the Speed replay yesterday. Hopefully they fix their retardation before Silverstone.

Nick Koan 2009-07-09 11:20 AM

Here is the silliest news I've heard all season.

BrawnGP has made their own iPhone game, and playing each track you qualify on, will give you one entry into a contest to win a Mercedes SL in November.

http://www.brawngpcontest.com/

sperry 2009-07-09 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 137096)
Here is the silliest news I've heard all season.

BrawnGP has made their own iPhone game, and playing each track you qualify on, will give you one entry into a contest to win a Mercedes SL in November.

http://www.brawngpcontest.com/

That's not as silly as the current wrangling between FIA and FOTA.

FIA: "You guys win, we'll cave to your requests instead of letting you guys go off and starting your own series."
FOTA: "Thank you, we can't wait to may F1 the best it can be, and we're glad we were able to come to an agreement."
- 1 week later -
FIA: "Hey, why do you FOTA guys think you get a vote in the Technical Working Group? You're not actually accepted into the series. You're just accepted in the series as far as it takes for you not to keep planning your own series."
FOTA: "Fuck it, we're outta here."

Nick Koan 2009-07-09 12:56 PM

Oh yeah, that drama is just ridiculous and mean. Brawn's shenanigans are cheeky and fun.

skimonkey30 2009-07-11 06:45 PM

Race is on FOX again this week FYI

sperry 2009-07-16 12:29 PM

So, Bourdais got fired. http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...-against-team/

Anyone know the guy rumored as taking his seat at the next race, Jaime Alguersuari? Apparently he's the British F3 champ?

Nick Koan 2009-07-17 09:16 AM

Now Bourdais is threatening to sue to keep his seat.

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...46398&PO=46398

Cause that's worked out so well in the past...

Nick Koan 2009-07-20 08:27 AM

Alguersuari officially has the seat for Hungary

sperry 2009-07-20 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 137565)
Alguersuari officially has the seat for Hungary

Driver roster updated.

...though I think I need to figure out a way to note unavailable drivers with the new organization of the rosters. Unfortunately, it seems IGT has started blocking the SSL connection to the server so I can't log in to make any changes. :rolleyes:

MikeK 2009-07-25 10:13 AM

Does anyone have the live timing iPhone app that they were talking about during qualifying?

I think this is the one: http://www.softpauer.com/f1app/index.html

skimonkey30 2009-07-25 06:42 PM

It looks really cool but it costs 26.99 for the full version and according to the "reviews" you apparently have to pay for each race.

I think I'll just watch F1 via my dvr when i get home rather then while im walking down the street for that price.

Nick Koan 2009-07-25 06:45 PM

Nothing like live updates while you are sleeping.

Dean 2009-07-25 09:19 PM

So, who or can somebody theoretically get into Masaa's backup car? There are no third drivers, and no "testing" drivers...

Somebody back at the factory track?

Has to be somebody familiar with the steering wheel... :)

Nick Koan 2009-07-25 09:22 PM

Technically speaking (or so I've been reading from random people) once qualifying starts a substitute driver cannot be put into the car. Each competing driver needs to take part of qualifying.

Dean 2009-07-25 09:34 PM

That would be weird...

People get sick all the time between qualifying and races... But not in F1??? The car and driver qualified... The driver cannot compete for "medical" reasons...

For F1, I would think it would make more sense that you can't switch to a backup car after qualifying begins since there is no practice after Q and I assume the car is toast.

Just an interesting rules question... Wonder if it is either or both... Even if they could find someone qualified/certified to drive there in time.

Scott Speed is all the way across the globe at Indy. :)

Nick Koan 2009-07-25 09:40 PM

Actually, if the car breaks, in the past you could start with a new car, either from the back or from pit lane (I forget). Now that they've gotten rid of the backup cars in F1, they can completely reassemble the car from the ground up with new parts and do the same thing (start from the back or from pit lane). In that sense, F1 is more about the driver qualifying and less about the specific car. It may seem odd, but that's what I've been reading in random internet forums written by random internet experts.

Regardless, a rumor has it that Ferrari might pull Kimi out of the race too, in honor of Massa.

MikeK 2009-07-25 09:47 PM

It looks like his helmet took some damage. He is lucky to be alive

Story

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2009-07/48280479.jpg

Dean 2009-07-25 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 137840)
Regardless, a rumor has it that Ferrari might pull Kimi out of the race too, in honor of Massa.

Honor? Latest news I saw he was out of surgery and "stable".

Nick Koan 2009-07-25 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean (Post 137842)
Honor? Latest news I saw he was out of surgery and "stable".

He's in a chemically induced coma on a respirator until tomorrow morning, which is usually a sign that its fairly serious. The hospital also said "life threatening but stable" not "stable." I'll be surprised if he's back in the cockpit before the next race.

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/150342/..._of_massa.html

I was actually having problems with that statement, but I what I meant was that I can't imagine that the team will be in a racing mood if he's still in a coma.

Also, I did look it up and a driver can be nominated to replace Massa if the stewards allow.

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/ru.../8694/fia.html

EDIT: Nevermind about the official roster comment, I think that's wrong.

Nick Koan 2009-07-25 10:12 PM

More: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...qualifier.html

Buried in this article they are saying that Ferrari are contemplating pulling Kimi's car too.

The picture sequence in that article is scary. From the telemetry on screen, it looks like he's full on gas a brake from when the spring hits his helmet to when he hits the wall.

Dean 2009-07-25 10:27 PM

The video appears to show him out of it and still on the gas just after spring impact and then apparently coming to as he goes off track left and then locking up the brakes and skipping all the way back across the track and into the wall.

Thank SNELL and HANS he is alive.

I am still stunned there is not a tether retaining that spring. Bet there will be soon...

Nick Koan 2009-07-25 10:32 PM

After the death of Henry Surtees from a similar accident last week, I'm sure they are going to do something but who knows what it'll be.

Dean 2009-07-25 11:15 PM

I consider them quite different.

No matter how good tethers are, stuff will come off of crashing cars, no way to avoid it at least and still be light and aerodynamic, but springs and such should not fly off cars that are not crashing!

Yes, open wheel/cockpit racing has these inherent dangers over closed, but the spring is just bizarre and should have had something retaining it.

sperry 2009-07-27 12:09 PM

Thank god:

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...day-afternoon/

Quote:

Felipe Massa has been woken early in Budapest's AEK hospital after doctors saw marked improvements in the Brazilian's condition, with reactions when being spoken to via the movement of limbs.

With the news coming as great relief to Formula One fans around the world, Massa's condition - which was life threatening after his accident - is no longer declared as critical. "In the last twenty-four hours some major changes have gone through in the condition of Felipe Massa," said Colonel Dr. Lajos Zsíros. "His condition continues to be stable. During the CT scan we performed we could ascertain that there was an improvement in his condition. We stopped sedation and after that Felipe Massa became capable of making contact.

"So in the afternoon we stopped the artificial ventilation of Felipe. As we speak he is sleepy but he gives adequate answers to the questions we ask him and can move his arms and legs spontaneously. Right now he has no fever and we have removed the drain tube from his wound - further improvement of his condition can be expected. During the night we do not plan to perform any more interventions on him."

It must be stressed, however, that the full extent to damage sustained by Massa's eye is still yet to be discovered. "He spoke, he wanted to know what had happened to him and he had some questions," added Brazilian Grand Prix chief medical officer Dino Altmann, who was at today's press conference for Massa in the Hungarian capital. "I would like to say that the family is very happy with the treatment Felipe is receiving here and there's no question about transfer at the moment."
Sure, he may be blind in one eye, and may never race again... but it sounds like he'll recover enough to live to see his baby born in November.

tysonK 2009-07-27 12:28 PM

I saw this on the regular news. I missed all the racing action.

Definitely a big loss to racing if can't race again. In his interviews he seems like a passionate guy always wanting to win for his fans and team first and foremost

:sadface:

MattR 2009-07-27 02:57 PM

I'm a big fan of Massa, and I've been pretty distraught over his accident. I hope his vision returns, but if he is indeed done racing, he should not be ashamed, he had a great career. The most important piece is that he will live and be able to carry on his life with his family.

MikeK 2009-07-27 03:38 PM

Bernie wants Alonso to take Massa's place at Valencia

sperry 2009-07-27 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeK (Post 137886)

If they're gonna get crazy... put Schumacher back in a Ferrari.

...but seriously, if I were one of Ferrari's backup drivers, and didn't get a seat in the exact situation that backup drivers are for... I'd be pissed. Like lawsuit pissed.

Nick Koan 2009-07-27 04:07 PM

I loved Niki Lauda's comments today that Badoer and Gene (and even Bourdais) are useless and Schumacher is the only driver that makes any sense.

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/150448/...s_useless.html

skimonkey30 2009-07-27 07:28 PM

renault le banned for Valencia

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...26194313.shtml

Nick Koan 2009-07-29 09:21 AM

Oi, and this season was looking a little dull...

Some guy named M. Schumacher will take Felipe's drive until he gets better.

http://www.michael-schumacher.de/?pa...=82078&lang=uk

Quote:

"The most important thing first: thanks God, all news concerning Felipe are positive. I wish him all the best again.

I was meeting this afternoon with Stefano Domenicali and Luca di Montezemolo and together we decided that I will prepare myself to take the place of Felipe. Though it is true that the chapter Formula 1 has been closed for me since long and completely, it is also true that for loyalty reasons to the team I cannot ignore that unfortunate situation. But as the competitor I am I also very much look forward to facing this challenge."
Still hasn't been picked up in the media yet.

EDIT: here it is

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77418

Nick Koan 2009-07-29 09:33 AM

This is, of course, on top of the news that BMW will be leaving the sport at the end of the year.

sperry 2009-07-29 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 138001)
This is, of course, on top of the news that BMW will be leaving the sport at the end of the year.

That really sucks. I bet if the new car was more competitive they'd stick it out. Maybe they can revive the Sauber name as an independent team again? I'm even more bummed that BMW won't even be an engine supplier.

sperry 2009-07-29 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 138000)
Oi, and this season was looking a little dull...

Some guy named M. Schumacher will take Felipe's drive until he gets better.

http://www.michael-schumacher.de/?pa...=82078&lang=uk



Still hasn't been picked up in the media yet.

EDIT: here it is

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77418

Paging David. Time to get your fanboi engine revved up. :P

sybir 2009-07-29 10:39 AM

I think he's already pegged against the limiter. Poor Dayna, it's going to be like having a Chihuaha on Sundays, lol.

Nick Koan 2009-08-03 09:45 AM

Piquet has been dropped by Renault
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...46542&PO=46542

Piquet Sr. is supposedly interested in buying the BMW Sauber team
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...46542&PO=46542

Massa interviewed leaving the hospital on the way home to Brazil. Vows to race again. With recent picture and a gnarly looking (but really not that bad) scar.
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...-felipe-massa/

sperry 2009-08-03 10:07 AM

Yeah, Massa looks half retarded. I can't help but think of Peter's stroke face.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IA5nokOFh8...s+McStroke.jpg

Poor guy... but then again he looks pretty good for a broken skull and almost dying.

I already sacked Piquet on the FF1 site. He kinda sucked anyway, I don't really blame Renault for dropping him. Plus, with the long break and the ban at Valencia, Renault has all sorts of time to pick up a replacement for him.


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