And I just broke into the 51s too damn it.

I have the track, let me see if I have that car. BRB

I was in the 51's yesterday.. I think a 49 might be possible. :eek:

However, I'm thinking the touring car would be a better challenge... it's less hectic.

BTW: you *can't* play GT4 w/o a card in there.

Wait, I got it to load... just had to wait for the demo to cycle... go figure. The DTM car is *not* in the default arcade cars. :( I bet I can find something close though, unless Cody's got it unlocked.

Really? I can. I did that when I picked the civic.

No dice. It's cool, I'm having fun earning my 1B license. I've passed 5 tests with a silver so far. Carry on.

Okay, I got one... the Opel Astra '00 Touring Car.... it's from the same year and series as the CLK, so I got to imagine it's damn close to the same... plus, it's a default car available to all.

Alrighty, its 11:30 too, just move the deadline by 2 days and we're all set.

All in favor say "Aye". *doesn't wait, changes deadline*

:lol: Okay, the challenge is officially with the Opel Astra Touring Car '00.

And the new rule is that anyone that can't access a track or car should try to gain access by playing the game, or can complain within 48 hours of the start of the challenge to have the challenge modified.

Pshh, you gotta wait till it's your turn to make rules Mr. Dictator. :P

First post updated.

I'm in the low 1'02's... this car's about 10 seconds slower than the Nissan group C car.

Woah! Don't change the deadline! The challenges should always end Tuesdays at 11:30! I don't want to get on a Thursday schedule for this... meet's are Thursday nights, and lots of people go out after the meet... no fair making them skip out on the challenge or the meet.

Sorry. Bemani made me do it. Should I change it back to Tuesday?

I'm in the 1'06's too. :D

Yeah, I'd like the schedule to be consistant so I can plan around it... Monday and Tuesday nights are usually boring, this gives me something to do.

Well let's just make sure the moon and the stars revolve around Sperry. :P

I'll change it back, but you guys really ought to make up your mind. :P

What's the confusion? The challenge starts at 11:30pm Tues. You have 48 hours to file a complaint if you can't participate. That in no way changes the end of the challenge... it just means less time to run. :(

I'd suggest that people make an effort to notify as early as possible if they can't race so they don't piss off others, and if the car/track needs to be changed, it should be as close to the intent of the challenge as possible.

No confusion at all. Nobody better get pissed at me though, I said I was perfectly happy earning my B1 license.

1'02.128

People are planning their lives around this challenge!? Wow. You'd think there would be prizes involved.

It's all for the Glory! :P

Are future challenges going to be limited to the out-of-the-box list of tracks and cars or do we just pick whatever and wait to see who is left out?

We could put that question to a poll to make a new permanent rule, or we can just leave things the way they are and people like me just have to get their game on if we don't have access yet. I don't really like the idea of making a challenge only to change it mid-challenge. I think we should avoid that.

Maybe have two levels of challenges? I dunno how many people are far enough into the game though to be able to obtain certain cars. Like a challenge for Arcade and GT? For GT challenge, get X car and mod it to within 10 HP of Y amount of HP. Example: Infinity G35, mod it to 350 hp + or - 10 and 2500lbs + or - 200? I dunno, just a crazy thought.

I don't like the idea of two challenges, but if sombody starts another thread with another challenge, I couldn't stop them.

If you dictate a challenge, you can definately make challenge specific rules like X car modded with X amount of money. We don't have to always use arcade mode as far as I'm concerned.

However, I'm starting to think we should just make a permanent rule that all challenges have to be available to those with little or no completion percentages. Basically take your memory card and boot up to see if the track and car is available. Money shouldn't be a concern as long as you don't make a challenge where you can use over $100K. Thoughts?

Why don't you just play the game in GT mode and earn some cars :p You can't be spending all your time on the challenge, only sperry does that :p

Haha, word.

:lol: That's what I am doing. I'm okay with not changing a thing if that is the consencus. If sombody (RE: me) can't compete because of completion percentage, we'll just have to sit it out. Thing is, sombody who has the most competion could just make the challenge with a car only they have...

Even without a save game you start with over 200 cars in arcade mode, I don't see any problems with just using some of those cars.

No complaints here! I was just making suggestions.

So guys would be okay with a rule that basically said, if you boot up sans memory card and the car and track are unavailable, it's not a valid challenge? What about the $100K cap on GT challenges I suggested? Do you guys forsee any other issues if sombody made a challenge to be run in GT mode? If we're worried about being able to trust people to not cheat, we could just say all challenges have to be in Arcade mode. Thoughts, opinions, feelings?

The only problem I have is that I don't know how much $100k is in my l33t JDM game.

Couldn't you find out? I wonder if there is a conversion that would hold true for all mods?

I suspect it is probably something like 100:1, we can check when we actually run the GT race.

Lol, and 100k is a shit ass load to put into a car in that game. And aren't they just Credits (Cr) anyway? So it would be universal?

They make it closer to yen so JPN people don't get all confused, I think.

Sperry's opinion in 3-2-1...

My only concern is that a lot of the really cool/fun/quirkey/fast cars aren't in the base 200. The base list is almost entirely street cars, which isn't a huge deal, but I don't want to race every challenge on street tires. In fact most of the base cars are just different revisions of each other... how many civics are listed under Honda for example?

Anyway, I'd suggest people that want to compete should make an effort to complete more of the game. And the people picking the challenges should try to stick to the cars/tracks that are more readily available. But I'd avoid making hard and fast rules about what cars we have to use.

What if we said you could only pick cars that are easily attainable when you're 25% through the game, or somthing?

I'm actually trying to find a list... but the cars aren't available simply by %... you have to unlock the arcade cars by winning the specific event in GT mode. :(

Right, but if we said you could only pick cars and tracks easily attainable when you're 25% through the game and with only the A and B licenses, it would be possible for people to quickly beat whatever event is necessary to unlock that car/track. Yes, no?

Too bad you can't unlock cars by playing Arcade mode like you could in GT3...or can you?

You're missing the point... 25% is not the same for everyone. I'm at like 60% (IIRC), but I have virtually zero rally cars, because I don't play the rally side of the game much. So just because I'm way further in the game than you doesn't mean you can't easily pick something that's gonna take me 10 hours of driving to get.

I think we're actually over analyzing this... I think the 48 hour rule will be fine... start a challenge, chances are people will have the car... if you don't and you can't get it easily, then you have 48 hours to get the challenger to change it to something else. The whole point is to have fun and competition, picking a car that no one has isn't fun... Plus I don't think this will be a regular problem.

I don't think I missed any point. I was just going by the last night's scenario where if I had 25% completion, I could have simply started an endurance race and been good to go with the existing challenge. If sombody makes a rally challenge (which I probably will do if I ever win :devil: ) that requires you to unlock a certain car, couldn't you just beat the required event fairly quickly?

Might be a noob question but I see it everywhere and dunno what it means, what is IIRC?

If I Remember Correctly

Maybe, maybe not... if I need a fast rally car to win the necessary event, then I'd probably have to win not just the one race, but several.

Or, more generally, if the car someone picks is a prize car for an endurance race or a long series, then even having gone far in the game, it may not be possible to "easily" win the car for the challenge... that's the mistake I made in picking the R92CP... it's an endurance race car.

Not only do you have to get to 25% to get to the endurance races, you also have to win a 4 hour race! Since I intend to beat the game w/o ever using B-spec mode, having to win a 24 hour race (for and extreme example) just to compete in the SECCS challenge doesn't seem reasonable.

Okay. Is everybody cool with Sperry's rule then? Complain before 48 hours and the rule maker for that challenge has to come up with a challenge that is available to all that are playing?

I'm slightly more in favor of saying if you can't do it sans memory card, don't assign it, but I think we should leave it to a vote.

Hahaha, I know people that do that, only use A-spec. That's nuts, I just don't have that kinda time or dedication. They took like 4 6 hour shifts with 4 people. Also, doing the 24h races with B-spec and leaving my PS on fucked up my original disk. It scarred the surfaces basically.

Quit all that jibba jabba and vote Jonny!