2004 Reno PAX/RTP
 

Well, I got what looks like will be the upcoming season's PAX values, so I need to figure out if I'm going NSM or STX...

STX = .795
NSM = .811

Which means, on a 60 second course I have to be a little under 1 second faster to get the same PAX in NSM. So who thinks being able to modify my boost will pick up a second?

Oh, and Matt:

NAS = .802

So you're gonna have to run raw times .5 seconds faster than me to beat me if I'm in STX... and when you drove my car, realize my boost was turned down to about 10psi to keep cold air spikes under 1bar. ;) :twisted:

Just get some real race tires and run SM.

closer to 1.2 seconds on a 60 second course...

Hey good idea... let's spend money on tires when I already got a set of Azenis that have like 80% tread left! Plus, it'll put me in a class that's even harder to compete in!

:lol:

If you didn't have those stupid weld-in subframe members, you'd be running in ESP. SM is too hard w/o way too much money.

How do you figure?

NSM(.811 * 60) - STX(.795 * 60) = 0.96 seconds

or were you talking about me and Matt?

NAS(.802 * 60) - STX(.795 * 60) = 0.42 seconds

Except for those non-OEM front brakes... and brake lines... and coil-overs... :lol:

And yeah it is.

STX .795 * 60 = 47.7 adjusted time
NSM .811 * 60 = 48.66 adjusted time

In NSM, you'd need to run about 58.8 compared to 60 seconds in STX, to beat the STX adjusted time by about .02 seconds.

Um... I thought brakes were unlimited as long as the rotors were the same size as stock... and your rotors are the same size as Cobra rotors, so they're covered w/ the update/backdate rule, right?

I didn't know about the brake lines... I guess that keeps me out of ESP too! 'Course, the only thing better about ESP over STX for me is that I can swap my intercooler hoses...

And I always forget that coilovers on your car are totally different than the stock suspension.

Um, I guess I'm calculating adjusted time differences.... woops. Now we see why I'm in computer science and not a real engineering discipline.

:lol: Looks like the lines are actually legal, but the brakes are sold by Baer, even though they're the same thing as what's on the Cobras... so an assclown could probably protest that as not being covered by a backdate. But the coil-overs definitely knock me out of ESP since the stock springs are in a different location.

Yeah, good point, But last year, when you were in STX and I ran NAS, we were very close in times, so?

Actually, my math was bad, it's more than half a second. Plus I got coilovers since then... I'm just saying if I'm in STX, you're gonna have to bring your A game. :P

http://www.mtv.com/onair/movieawards...ne_notteen.jpg
"Oh, it's already be broughten!"

I always bring the A game...


Hahahhahaha at the picture!

Would that be you A stock game?

SM got hurt this year in PAX, and STX got helped.

I think Debbie even said that the STX PAX is bbetter than DS... Go figure...

uh, I meant the improvement in stx is better than the improvement in dstock.
.794 and .795 (vs. 2003 which were .795 & .798).

so you guys have a .001 higher pax than me in ds, but much more you can do to your cars. :x

Yeah.. it's amazing what R-compounds will do for ya. :P

Is the complete list of PAXs posted anywhere yet? If not, why aren't they posted here? ;)

Updated the 1st post!

Because Dean hadn't done it yet...

PAX as well as the schedule are posted now on www.RenoSCCA.com

Run group splits are in the process of being determined.

This is very interesting on nasioc regarding another class for STi...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...0&pagenumber=1

New STU Class????
 

So, do you think this will be something Reno region would adopt? Does it just take some pressure from STi/ Evo Drivers? Since it's in development stages, what is the course or plan to get a new class added? Sounds like a necessary option, because the Sti will not be in ESP for long.

Re: New STU Class????
 

Sounds like its official, scca approved STU and STS2 for National Tour events.
http://www.sccaforums.com/ubb/ultima...ic/22/751.html

Matt - you bring up a good question. Dean: as a reno scca board member, can you help us understand how this would be addressed by reno?

Well, STS2 and STU didn't end up the way I thought they would. I was hoping STU would allow more modifications that STX does, similar to the way STX allows more mods than STS, however, it looks like these classes are just to allow additional, higher powered cars, and not more mods.

Though I can see an STU STi being a *very* formitable beast!

More mods = SM or SU :D

That's just the thing... a competative SM car means I need a new turbo, intercooler, fuel system, 2.5L block... you know everything to make 450hp and gobs of torque down low.

I just wanna turn my boost up, and run intercooler hoses and an ALK.

STU should be STX + intake/intercooler mods + boost mods / new turbo + injectors. Also stuff like the ALK, tranny mounts, cross braces. But all still bolt-ons. That way you could crank up the boost or go to a bigger turbo (which might not actually help because AutoX isn't about top-end power) but you wouldn't have to compete with a 318ti that's got a super-charged M3 motor. See what I mean? ;)

Re: New STU Class????
 

First, I can now get my ass whooped in my Stealth by an unlimited NA engine Mustang in two classes! SM, and STU!!! :P :P

From a Reno region perspective, I do not know what we will do this season about this. Since no PAX data is available, even if we do allow them, they may not be eligible for PAX. I will ping Dave and Eric...

Unfortunately, what you describe appears to be a Turbo Only class, as I cannot think of any simple NA equivelents to your acceptable mods other than unlimited which means welcome to SM, or NSM. SCCA is unlikely to have a Turbo Only class.

Re: New STU Class????
 

Heh heh heh... :wink:

Good point.... I guess the equivalent mod on a N/A motor would be heads and cams (or adding forced induction :lol:) I guess allowing heads/cams would be okay... somthing along the lines of allowing forced induction (modifications or addition of), and engine internals, but the motor must be the original motor for that car, and displacement must remain the same as stock...

I'm trying to avoid the franken-cars you get in SM that weigh nothing and have 500hp. A class between SP and SM... where cars like my WRX, Austin's Mustang, and your Stealth would basically be near the max for the class.

So, will this be an upgrade path for Matt and Mike?

Umm, dude? Unless you're planning on taking your ass directly to Nationals, you don't need that much power to be "competitive" in SM. That's "squashing everyone else like a bug" power in SM at the regional level. I've been "competitive" in SM with maybe 250bhp in a car that's heavier than yours and has a poor suspension.

Uh, actually, I *am* talking about Divisionally/Nationally competative. :P I think Dean and I would have a good battle in SM here in Reno, but we both know we're not really at a "competative SM" level.

Oh.

Have fun with Sias and Reitmeir then...

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:lol:

Re: New STU Class????
 

Oh, make that three, I forgot, freaking Corvettes in BSP! It really is a cool car, but it just isn't geared for autocross, and there is no way to fix that.

My point exactly.... I don't have the $40k *more* I'd need to spend to get to that level... and that's $40k in addition to the cost of the STi I'd have to buy. :lol:

Yeah. Sorry about that. :P Actually, don't feel bad- I have to be in these classes or I can't do anything to win my class. Thank goodness for PAX. Here's my breakdown-

G Stock- In theory my car could compete in this class thanks to lots of torque- but it's heavy and who wants run an RS with a 13mm RSB anyway?

STS- No chance. Too many Civic Si hatchbacks that weigh 1800 pounds and have 10 less horsepower.

ST-X- No chance, only now it's teh WRXs that whip me. :)

Street Mod- unlimited engine (well, close enough considering the FHI-derived options) But still some key limitations, i.e. ALK). Still can't develop a really good power-to-weight ratio

Street Unlimited- Those aren't really cars in that class anymore. :P

:lol:

It's a possibility, But for this year, I'm running NAS. I imagine ESP wil lgo away as an option for the STI, SO STU will probably be where I end up in 05.

I might not even run in anything this year but STU fo' sho next year 8)
There's a lot of things I need to do to my car, any one want to PM me the list :wink:

I've been doing some extensive reading on the new STU class. Dean, Debbie, I think Reno SCCA needs to run this class this year. It is official from the SCCA, it was discussed at the Topeka convention, so I imagine Dave DeBorde has some knowledge of it. Let me know if you hear anything...also, I might bring it up when I see him this weekend, if this class is indeed an option locally, I may consider it, but I have a lot to do to the car :twisted:


Basically, it would allow for an STX-prepped STI! Which means full exhaust, Adjustable top mounts, reflash, etc, would all be legal to get an STI started. Scott???? Would a stage 1 Vishnu (or equivalent) tuned STi be legal in STU? As long as boost remained untouched it should be fine right? Is that an option with the XEDE? I'm not entirely sure what no boost mod means. My dilema is that I don;t want to run a class by myself this year, that would be a drag, and I don't see anyone else around that would run more than a few events. Tony (Silver EVO) would probably be the only other regular. And I'm not even sure how many events he will make.
I really am leaning towards staying in NAS though, I really enjoyed the few street tire races I had last year.

Help

Heres a good summary I found:

The rules regarding "no boost" mods, is just that... boost must be stock. Of course, some things effect boost, like a freer flowing exhaust, but that okay. You just can't up the boost with a boost controller. In fact there's still an issue with reflashes, in that it's very difficult to prove the map you have loaded isn't touching boost without having an independant datalogger attached to the car to record boost pressure.

At far as the STi in STU, I already see a huge issue on the horizon. Boost creep. You're not allowed to touch the turbo for porting, so adding that exhaust will mean you're gonna be creeping. 'Course everyone else in STU is gonna be bitching that the STi has a ton of boost, which it true as long as it's not blowing up the motor.

STU seems like a cool class, but this 1st year of it is going to be nuts. I know I wouldn't run it, because it'll be pretty expensive to build a car for the class and you're shooting at a moving target. It'd suck to buy some expensive parts only to have to take 'em off and sell them because a FastTrack comes out making it illegal. Which reminds me, I've got a hood scoop to take off. :roll:

What, your hood scoop is illegal now?

The bigger STi one I put on there after last season is. I thought I'd be in NSM, but since I'm sticking to STX, I gotta pull it. :x

According to the nasioc post, pax:
STU 0.827

Well I guess my question would be who will get to run in STU if the number is low and the people in the class are STi and EVO I might run there because im not A-Stock anymore? Please help me :D

:lol: :lol: I guess I should have read Matts post first :lol: :lol:

Hey Matt if we dont have anyone that has all the mods I run with you :D

That's retarded. :roll: It's a hood scoop, people... untwist your panties.

I wonder how they came up with that? I'm not sure Nasioc is a valid source though...

Actually, it could make a significant difference... on a hot day in the desert that extra air over the intercooler really does help keep the power up.