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sperry 2004-08-30 08:40 AM

Reno-Fernley Feedback
 
RFR would like feedback from the track event.

Specifically I think they're looking for stuff they can use in their advertizing about how much fun you had, and why you would recommend the school to others, but I'm sure they'll take constructive criticism as well.

Please post your comments here, and I will forward them on to the track, or you may email E.T. directly at et@reno-fernleyraceway.com

Thanks everyone!

MikeSTI 2004-08-30 09:07 AM

"so you dont want to see another add on TV of how your car should be driven" Next Level Racing is for you

what did I win BOB :lol:

dknv 2004-08-30 09:17 AM

I found the 'Lead & Follow' approach an effective way in learning the proper line around this course. The pace started conservatively, and the instructor did a good job monitoring the group so that we could increase our speeds in subsequent lap sessions.

The one additional thing I wished I had gotten out of this class was to have had an instructor in the car earlier in the day, so that I could have gotten specific feedback on turn-in points and shifting strategy. Nevertheless, the class provided plenty of seat time and I got lots of practice in point-bys. :lol:

AtomicLabMonkey 2004-08-30 09:24 AM

Sounds like a lot of fun, wish I could have made it out.

doubleurx 2004-08-30 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey
Sounds like a lot of fun, wish I could have made it out.

It was an absolute blast. The in car instruction helped so much. I was amazed at how much faster I could push the car at the end of the day compared to the first sessions.

The follow the leader method really helps build your confidence as a first timer.

The cones for braking and turn in designations really helped smooth out the corners.

Thanks!

Kevin M 2004-08-30 11:30 AM

I really wish they'd had some pump gas at the track, a lot of us would have gotten some more session time. I even managed to burn 13.5 gallons in my puny little 4 cylinder. :( I wish I could have made the last session because I could have tried a few things I had learned in my last session a lot more.

My instructor, Bill, was absolutely great. Not only was he knowledgable enough to give my simple instructions that really improved my speeds, he was genuinely enthusiastic about making us all faster and was clearly enjoying the event. Everybody should get to work with instructors like that, especially as beginners.

dknv 2004-08-30 11:39 AM

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Alot of people visited the fuel man:

Kevin M 2004-08-30 11:44 AM

Yes, if I had a car that was worth putting 100 octane in I definitely would have gotten a few gallons too.

Pat R. 2004-08-31 08:45 PM

Is the track open for test and tune on Monday? I have a serious jones going for some more track time and I have this coupon to use up.

Who else is in for a Labor Day two-hour crack fest?

dknv 2004-09-01 08:00 AM

Neat idea!

MattR 2004-09-01 08:05 AM

Overall, I feel like the event could not have gone better. The staff of TNL driving school far exceded my expectations in regards to their performance, expertise and overall genuine interest in us as students. It really added to the day.

I'm looking forward to future sessions with TNL at Reno Fernley, perhaps even another large group day like this one. As a co-planner for the event, I wanted to thank everyone who attended, and look forward to future such events. We have a great car club.

thanks
Matt

MattR 2004-09-01 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pat R.
Is the track open for test and tune on Monday? I have a serious jones going for some more track time and I have this coupon to use up.

Who else is in for a Labor Day two-hour crack fest?

I don;t think my car is up for it yet...not sure about the service schedule yet, but it is an option.

doubleurx 2004-09-01 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MattR
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat R.
Is the track open for test and tune on Monday? I have a serious jones going for some more track time and I have this coupon to use up.

Who else is in for a Labor Day two-hour crack fest?

I don;t think my car is up for it yet...not sure about the service schedule yet, but it is an option.

Tell me about it. I already scheduled my appointment with Nate. If it is the Tranny I may be getting that STI motor / Tranny combo that is for sale on NASIOC - thanks for the lead Kevin.

Painful but fun!

As soon as I get that thing fixed, you can count me in.

dirtyWRX 2004-09-01 05:37 PM

Just to add props.

When the organizers said, that we were the best group they had ever had, the meant it. I overhead them talking to one another about just how well our group was doing. I have to say, I've run with quite a few groups, and the skill, and the sportsmanship of everyone was unbelievable.

Subaru league time trials???

Berndt

MikeK 2004-09-01 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat R.
Is the track open for test and tune on Monday? I have a serious jones going for some more track time and I have this coupon to use up.

Who else is in for a Labor Day two-hour crack fest?

I am definately up for this if they are open.

sperry 2004-09-01 07:18 PM

I don't have time to split this thread back on topic since I'm still at work trying to go home before midnight (hint, hint moderators), so I'll just remind you all that this thread is for posting feedback that will be sent to Reno-Fernley Raceway. If you've got comments about the event, the track is very interested to hear your opinions!

bemanii 2004-09-01 11:16 PM

+ : Props for keeping to the schedule. When they started late I was worried that the whole schedule would become useless.

- : Not enough flagging stations. Even though we ended up not needing that many flaggers, that is after the fact, and 3 is just too little for safety IMO.

- : I guess they finally found the speakers sometime around lunch ...

sperry 2004-09-02 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bemanii
+ : Props for keeping to the schedule. When they started late I was worried that the whole schedule would become useless.

- : Not enough flagging stations. Even though we ended up not needing that many flaggers, that is after the fact, and 3 is just too little for safety IMO.

- : I guess they finally found the speakers sometime around lunch ...

One thing to note, they offered more flaggers, but we didn't have the $750 to hire them.

Speedtoy 2004-09-07 08:56 AM

Hey guys..its me, Speedtoy (Jeff) who helped instruct with the Z06.

You WERE a class act group to work with, it was really great.

Anyone here I gave a "ride" to?

sperry 2004-09-07 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Speedtoy
Hey guys..its me, Speedtoy (Jeff) who helped instruct with the Z06.

You WERE a class act group to work with, it was really great.

Anyone here I gave a "ride" to?

Hey man, welcome to the board! Thanks to you and all the other instructors for running a great event!

MikeSTI 2004-09-07 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Speedtoy
Hey guys..its me, Speedtoy (Jeff) who helped instruct with the Z06.

You WERE a class act group to work with, it was really great.

Anyone here I gave a "ride" to?

I didnt get to ride with you but I chased you a little :D I was in Group A with the STi :twisted: lol one of the many Mikes you had :lol:

dknv 2004-09-07 01:56 PM

Hey Jeff, welcome to the board!
You gave me a ride in the morning in that SUV - does that count? :wink:

Dean 2004-09-07 02:08 PM

Wait a minute...This is an imposter... :D :D

The real Speedtoys "Jeff" spells his name Geoff I thought... Maybe that is just his 3S name... since he hasn't owned a 3S in years. Maybe he changed his name so the Corvette folks wouldn't know he is a closet turbo/AWD fan...

Next this imposter will try to sell us brake pads and rotors at discount prices... :lol:

MattR 2004-09-07 02:16 PM

Hahaha!

qksubi 2005-01-27 11:37 PM

I think its test n tune time :twisted:

MattR 2005-01-28 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by qksubi
I think its test n tune time :twisted:

Oh really? :twisted: You might be right.

MikeK 2005-01-28 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by qksubi
I think its test n tune time :twisted:

Yes! How much is it for a day at the track? Are they just open so that anyone can show up, or do we have to organise another track day?

qksubi 2005-01-28 09:16 AM

I thought if weather permitted fridays are test n tune days 4hrs is I think 80 which is a half day

Dean 2005-01-28 09:32 AM

According to Jeremy 2 weeks ago, the track is currently under a couple feet of snow.

MikeSTI 2005-01-28 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean
According to Jeremy 2 weeks ago, the track is currently under a couple feet of snow.

:lol: we can clear it off with a few Hot Laps :lol:

Nick Koan 2005-01-28 10:04 AM

Everyone, bring your snow tires to test'n'tune!



If not, we can race the snow plows for a few laps.

Dean 2005-01-28 11:22 AM

I don't think they have any intention of plowing it. Don't want to risk damaging the surface.

I think as fast as that track is, it would be insane even with snow tires if you actually accelerated on an of the straight bits, you would be ABSing and comprssion braking for the last 1/2 the straights trying to slow down for the corners.

I'm not even sure you could stay up on the banking in the horseshoe. Gravity might just suck you down to the inside at any reasonable speed.

Might be fun to try though.

Pat R. 2005-03-08 06:38 PM

Let's start throwing around dates for the '05 version. How about this weekend? 8)

Dean 2005-03-09 12:40 AM

Assuming you are refering to something TNL/NASA related/sanctioned, you would need to look at their calendar.

sperry 2005-03-09 09:55 AM

We're already throwing around dates w/ ET. So far it looks like a July weekend might be in the works. Either 7/9-10 or 7/23-24. Opinions?

Speedtoy 2006-05-05 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean
Wait a minute...This is an imposter... :D :D

The real Speedtoys "Jeff" spells his name Geoff I thought... Maybe that is just his 3S name... since he hasn't owned a 3S in years. Maybe he changed his name so the Corvette folks wouldn't know he is a closet turbo/AWD fan...

Next this imposter will try to sell us brake pads and rotors at discount prices... :lol:


Actually..when is the next event for the club?

Im looking to do a "try and buy", where some well regarded member who is at the particular track event gets to try out some different pads for a session or so, and then swap back to what they had, and give the club some feedback..and turn that into sales (of course).

Its one of those ways that I/we can turn sticker shock of good pads into an understanding of the differences.

When I quote $225 for R4-S pads to an STi owner..they blink..lots. $40k for a car, thousands perhaps in go-fast stuff, but for brakes, many people still seem to have this 'tread softly' budget. You cant add 150Hp to a car, attend a track day, and continue with a non-track specific brake pad for long.

Not a flame, just looking for ways to help shift points of view..stopping is WAY more important that accelerating.

cody 2006-05-05 12:01 PM

With R4-S's on my "Stage 2" WRX (~210 WHP) and new ATE fluid, I got some noticeable fade at RFR. They aren't track pads.

The next SCCA event at RFR is Jul 22-23.

http://www.renoscca.com/events/2006/...20Schedule.htm

But maybe check the "Calendar" link at the top of the page too.

Speedtoy 2006-05-05 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cody
With R4-S's on my "Stage 2" WRX (~210 WHP) and new ATE fluid, I got some noticeable fade at RFR. They aren't track pads.

The next SCCA event at RFR is Jul 22-23.

http://www.renoscca.com/events/2006/...20Schedule.htm

But maybe check the "Calendar" link at the top of the page too.

Correct..mostly. They are not a dedicated track pad, they are a hybrid that is a sane street pad, but has the capability to work at moderate track temperatures and stresses..its a give on the track side of performance for the benefit of street sanity.

There's no such thing as a perfect street pad that's also a perfect track pad. Too many tradeoffs, but IMHO, the R-4S is a pretty sweet place to be on the map if you need one that can do both within reason.

cody 2006-05-05 01:56 PM

I agree 100% having run them on the track and autoX (only once each) and on the street through all last winter up here in the cold. They are having your cake and eating it too...almost. :)

sperry 2006-05-05 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedtoy
Correct..mostly. They are not a dedicated track pad, they are a hybrid that is a sane street pad, but has the capability to work at moderate track temperatures and stresses..its a give on the track side of performance for the benefit of street sanity.

There's no such thing as a perfect street pad that's also a perfect track pad. Too many tradeoffs, but IMHO, the R-4S is a pretty sweet place to be on the map if you need one that can do both within reason.

I'm also a big fan of the Porterfields. I run the R4's (not the R4-S's) at the track in my StopTechs and love 'em.

However, I still switch over to the Axxis Ultimates for autocross. I've had nothing but good luck w/ the Ultimates for excellent cold grip, and they seem to be pretty gentle on the rotors. The Ultimates dust like crazy though... I had a set on my SVX and they're just too messy for the street. I've switched to the Metal Masters on that car and I'm 10 time happier.

What are the changes to the Axxis pads that are concerning people? I've been using 'em for about 4 years now and never had an issue.

doubleurx 2006-05-05 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cody
With R4-S's on my "Stage 2" WRX (~210 WHP) and new ATE fluid, I got some noticeable fade at RFR. They aren't track pads.

The next SCCA event at RFR is Jul 22-23.

http://www.renoscca.com/events/2006/...20Schedule.htm

But maybe check the "Calendar" link at the top of the page too.

That would be guilt by association for this event. What about an SECCS event? That was the last one.............ah those were the days....transmission blows.

no really, we should do another track day sponsered by SECCS!

Speedtoy 2006-05-06 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry
I'm also a big fan of the Porterfields. I run the R4's (not the R4-S's) at the track in my StopTechs and love 'em.

However, I still switch over to the Axxis Ultimates for autocross. I've had nothing but good luck w/ the Ultimates for excellent cold grip, and they seem to be pretty gentle on the rotors. The Ultimates dust like crazy though... I had a set on my SVX and they're just too messy for the street. I've switched to the Metal Masters on that car and I'm 10 time happier.

What are the changes to the Axxis pads that are concerning people? I've been using 'em for about 4 years now and never had an issue.

Look at the R-41 compound in the datasheets I put out.

Extremely high friction rates at street temps.

Theyre just not recommended for temperatures over 600d, which should be within autox use easily.


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