2005 PAX factors.
 

SS 0.837 ASP 0.850 AP 0.865 AM 1.000
AS 0.828 BSP 0.839 BP 0.861 BM 0.942
BS 0.821 CSP 0.838 CP 0.855 CM 0.908
CS 0.810 DSP 0.822 DP 0.844 DM 0.879
DS 0.796 ESP 0.826 EP 0.858 EM 0.886
ES 0.806 FSP 0.811 FP 0.862 FM 0.884
FS 0.805 F SAE 0.948
GS 0.782 STS 0.799
HS 0.777 STS2 0.803 F125 0.939
STX 0.802 FJ1 0.781
STU 0.818 FJ2 0.797
SM 0.842 FJ3 0.823
SM2 0.852 FJ4 0.832

WOW! Can;t wait to see street tire factor...STU dropped like a brick, but I think NESP is the way to go for me. STX also took a hit.

Nice! STU is right in there with STX now, that's more like it!

And it's great to see SM and ESP only .02 or so apart! It seems like anyone running an STi in ESP might want to just come on over to SM for fast courses since the boost alone should make up for the PAX difference!

I must say... if I can get a 6-speed in the WRX, and if you STi folks stay in ESP off boost... I may just have a shot at beating you guys in street tire next year! :twisted:

I'll be in SM! 8)

I thought that was where everyone was going to be?

changing your minds?

SM = Catless, I hope

Catless = modified, I thought?

if the rules dont change much from last year I could run ESP without a cat! :D

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ght=SCCA+Rules

Street Mod definitely requires a catalytic converter. First I heard of SP allowing you to go catless though. Somebody grab the rules off the link in the member's forum and verify this?

Re: 2005 PAX factors.
 

STX took a hit alright. Dean - r u going to stay there?
STU is alot sweeter! That'll be an interesting class to watch in 2005. If I had an STi, I'd probably gravitate to this class next year.

Anyone remember how to compute the street tire pax factor?

Okay, looks liek that is legal... "removal or modification of emission control devices" is permitted, and exhaust is unrestricted. Damn you STi guys.

Re: 2005 PAX factors.
 

Last year it was PAX-.027.

did you get this out of SM or SP?

Street Prepared, section 15. I looked up the PDF file on my laptop.

Re: 2005 PAX factors.
 

Maybe for SM it was -.027. Our street tire modifier is actually an *additional* multiplier of .968. So, take your PAX * .968 and that's your street tire PAX.

Changes are it won't change much (if at all) for this next season. In which case:

Assuming we're all running Street Tire, here's the STU vs. NESP vs. NSM break down:

STU:
+ No brake restrictions
- highest PAX (.818)
- Cat required in exhaust

NESP:
+ lowest PAX (.800)
+ Intercooler mods allowed
+ Unrestricted Exhaust
- No brake mods outside of pads/fluid (I think this mean no SS lines!)

NSM:
+ No brake restrictions
+ Intercooler mods allowed
++ Boost mods allowed
++ Hell, just about every mod, 'cept the ALK allowed!
- Cat required in exhaust
- middle PAX (.815)

So, assuming I'm not missing anything... if you have the money to build up a SM car, you should clean up in PAX this year. Of the alternatives, NESP >> STU... but if you've done SS lines, you might be screwed... we need to double check on the brake rules for SP. But if SS lines aren't allowed, and I already had 'em on my STi, I'd just get a reflash and run in SM.

And anyone w/o a cat planning to run SM (*cough* Mike), you might want to look into getting a flanged cat insert that you can toss in the car for race days, because the alternative (E-Modified) doesn't seem too good. :lol:

Actually it was pax-.027; check out the table.
http://www.renoscca.com/results/2004...%20PAX-RPT.htm

I would prefer the multiplier though, it would give the higher classes a better shot against the F/G Stock armies. :P

I find it funny that ESP is still lower than AS. :lol: By the way... Dean probably just jumped to ESP too, and he'll be able to make his car a tad faster. Dammit, and we in SM had gained a little PAX help too. :(

Why go from STS (.799) to NESP (.800) if you're in a WRX? Tell Dean he'll have to take off the StopTechs. And I'm pretty sure the lack of a cat won't make up for the lag he'd get w/ a new I/C.

Frankly, WRX == STS or NSM. The only think you gain is the cat-less exhaust in NESP.

No, a WRX is STX, .802 this year. And dean might take off the Stoptechs anyway, he thinks the rotational mass tradeoff isn't worth the extra fade resistance, which wasn't a problem before. A JDM or USDM STi top ount will help improve his cooling without introducing measurable lag, and the lack fo a cat will improve spool more than top end power. What I wonder about though, is if you truly can legally remove the cat- you should make more boost without it, reflash or no reflash.

Unless I read something wrong, SM got harder next year.

Whoops, you're right, I was reading the STS PAX and thinking STX... duh! Still, I'd rather keep my SS brake lines over spending $ to buy a new exhaust w/o a cat. .002 PAX can be made up on course by blinking one less time.

Looking it over, almost every class went up- except ESP and STU among the ones that matter to us. :P I Other than those, there wasn't a huge change in relative strengths except STX getting weaker.

2004
STX .795
STU .827
NESP .798
NSM .811

2005
STX .802
STU .818
NESP .800
NSM .815

So everyone got harder 'cept STU. What's important is that everyone's closer together now. Should make for an interesting season in Street Tire this year!

Considering the competition in Street Tire next year... one blink might be the difference. Good point about the SS lines though. Tough call. Removing the cat won't require a new exhaust though, you can just cut and paste a piece of 3" tubing in its place.

I'm actually thinking about doing that for catless track days.

Back to the Nxx competition... I really think that SM is the place to be. Mods are all but unlimited (except for that one cat) and the PAX isn't all that far off from everyone else. The drawback is simply: can I afford to build my car to the rules. There's no reason that my car can't legally put 300awhp down in SM trim... I just can't afford the mods. You NESP STi drivers have the advantage as long as IGT doesn't give me a big raise. :P

$10 says Dean is in an STi before season's end.

I'm pretty happy with the NSM PAX actually. 8) Well, until Dean's STi shows up there...

Before season's start! :lol:

He's gonna WANT to be in one by then, but we all know how Dean shops for cars. :P No $23k STis will show up before April.

Oh yeah- Legacy and Forester turbos are H Stock, unless the link I checked is out of date. :P Anybody want to make the leap?

I know they're ugly, but I think Debbie needs a blue Forrester 2.5XT. :twisted:

And the rumor mill says that John Evans will be in H-Stock in something new... but that's uber-rumor... like 30th hand information. Debbie, you should pnmy up and go after him (and Andrew)! :lol:

Agreed. Is John thinking Cooper S Works? He'll probably kick our asses in it, and complain about FWD the whole time. :lol:

Debbie, go with the XT! Be a trailblazer! (p.s.- John's Konis and Kodiaks will fit. :twisted:)

this thread rules. :D

Cooper S is DS... Work's is like AS or something insane!

Rumor mill + John Evans =

http://216.33.101.117/images/CARment...20OZ-Rally.jpg

But I don't know that I believe it.

The Minis weren't moved out of G Stock, just like the STis weren't moved out of ESP. Coopers and Cooper S are in the same class! How retarded is that?

And if he buys a damn lancer, how'm I ever gonna be able to brag about beating him again? :lol:

I could have sworn I saw a blurb about moving the Cooper S to DS w/ the WRX and leaving the non-S in GS.... I guess that was just the proposal and not the real info?

/me knows he's in SM already so he ignores the rest of the classes. :lol:

Oh, and that's just as retarded as the C5 and Z06 both being in SS... along with the new C6 I assume.

There was a proposal to move Cooper S to D Stock, where it belongs, and the STi out of ESP into A Stock, where it doesn't belong. :lol: Neither one passed though.

SCCA Classifications retarded? The hell you say! Ha.

Blue?! I was almost believing blue may be an unlucky color for me. Maybe its just unlucky in 2004 though.

Street Modified inherits all allowances from Street Touring and Street Prepared.

Is that statment not true then? and is boost limited in ESP?

Street Mod has a specific requirement for a catalytic converter. Boost is limited in ESP.

SP allows any brake lines, but all else must be stock size. Slotted/drilled rotors OK, but no 2-piece unless it came with them.

You just never know what I might show up in. I'm thinking if we have lots of Corvette courses, maybe a DeLorean in SM so I can get up to 88MPH and finish before I start. May be the only way to catch Eric in the damn Kart.

STi, you know you want to ....

.802

fuck that.


bastards. :cry:

. Of the alternatives, NESP >> STU... but if you've done SS lines, you might be screwed... we need to double check on the brake rules for SP. But if SS lines aren't allowed, and I already had 'em on my STi, I'd just get a reflash and run in SM.

I take it this was directed towards me since I just did my lines this weekend :evil: If I have to run SM I am so going to be broke/possibly single and living in my SUBIHLR :shock:

Rumor Mill DEAN + STI - Wing + DMS50= :evil:

For the last time, Brake lines are OK in SP!

Cool, thanks Dean! I couldn't remember the specifics on brakes in SP. All I rememberd was being stunned that you couldn't upgrade them. I guess the "upgrades" I was thinking of were full-on BBKs.

So, if SS lines, pads, rotors, and fluid are allowed, then that's pretty good! I feel sorry for the Mustang boys with their ass OEM brakes that they can't really do much about, considering they're up against the OEM Brembos of the STi and EVO.

Either way... I'm all about BOOOOOST this season in SM. But I think I'm gonna need more of it to be competative. :(

looks like I will need to run in ESP and buy a new badge for the rear deck lid :lol:

Cobb should have a no modified boost map by then :?

Our couch is pretty comfy actually.

Stock GT brakes suck but you can up/backdate to the Cobra PBR setup, which is good enough for autocrossing.