Reno SCCA meeting tonight?
 

I never got an email from the SCCA mailing list about a meeting tonight. Are we still meeting at Austin's Restaurant at 6pm?

I got my newsletter the other day, and it had tonight printed on it.

www.renoscca.com

Meeting tonight. I will be there.

I'm there.

I going to come tonight too, I'm all excited for the upcoming race season.

I never gave permission for a meeting at my restaurant.

Haha :lol: ...Your resteraunt is pretty good...and those young waitresses, where do you find them?

Here's the agenda for tonight...I can't wait to hear about what a failure I am for not putting the Car corral together at Norpac, I'll just remind them that there was 20 inches of snow on the ground that day, so everything worked out okay..

There is also a new Novice/RNP proposal added to the agenda that I submitted that will indirectly affect Street tire by removing the newbies from it for the most part. Oh, and you will need to replace your "N"s with "T"s...

Along those lines, I'd like to propose we use *'s after or before a number/class to denote RNP. That way, everyone keeps their number and class when running rnp so we don't end up with like 6 "14 rnp" cars at an event.

so I'd be 04 TSM and later in the afternoon 04 *TSM for rnp.

I was going to cut and paste, but here is the whole thing... 4,5, and 11 discuss class displays.


Feel free to comment now, or tonight.

So would I be running NTESPL? I haven't completed a more than 1/2 the event in a season.

Not bad Dean, but I have some issues.

RNP with a line through or sideways, or the actual letters "RNP" doesn't solve the issue in the software that leaves us scrambling to edit people right before a run group and running into conflict after conflict for people running the same number. I'd like to be able to list people with their normal number/class, but just tag their run as "no points". Idealy, this would be handled by a change to the scoring software, but we should be able to utilize the 1st character grouping feature that's already there, but use "*" instead of "r".

The deal with bumping Novice results to points results: if the Novice drivers are not properly classed, then who's to say they're in the propper class when they get bumped? Let's say some "novice" comes out with a Z-06 and runs some great times for 4 events. Then decides to finish their season in DS in a WRX... if we're not meticulous about keeping the novice's car/class they could be getting an unfair advantage. Of course that's a moot point if the novice class continues to require proper classing and not just an "N" on the side of the car.

If you run as a Novice, you're not running for points... so you can be NESPL and run as a novice and not compete in street tire, or you can run in TESPL and compete in the Ladies Street Tire championship.

At least that's how I perceive it.

I wish I lived up in Reno so I could autox more regularly :(

Oh. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I will run TESPL for points.
So the novice award at the end of the season will go to someone who completed in the N class then, or is there no award because it is not a points event?

Its a quick trip, just come up here for events, you can stay up here over the weekend.

That's G-14 classified.

I really like that idea...That will help newcomers greatly. As long as you don't assign some crusty corvette owner to the job :lol:

I'll be there tonight too.

Correct.

So, the new Novice class will be scored seperately? Or not at all?

OK, we need to add "in the same car" to the moved points portion. We will have reg cards, worker sheets if we really need to check up on them. Theoretically, they should not be competitive in class anyway...

R, or *, either way you have the same issues no matter what is on the side of the car. Not sure there is a fix for this. Aything that shows you are notrunning in your normal class is OK as long as your normal class is visible. RTESPL, or *TESPL are the same to me, and the software, except now that I thnk about it, * may not be an allowable character.


Keep the comments coming.

I think (and agree) that the RNP situation is way more important than a lot of people in the region think, it is so time consuming to get the scoring changed...I think Scott is on the right track with making it as easy to score in the computer as possible, but a good deal of focus needs to be on actually marking the RNP cars correctly or at all...

Both. They will be seperated into their own class per event, and have their times listed, but not scored for season points unless they choose to move to a true class.

Novice year end awards will not be based on Novice class participation.

The purpose of the novice class is to give people a place to learn for a couple events and see if they like it and make a somewhat informed decision to move into a real class.

It is not intended to be a season long class as other regions have.

If that's the case, do we really need a "Novice" class, isn't is essentially the same as RNP, plus an option to move 4 events to a points class?

I'd almost rather see Novice as another PAX class like Street Tire... but to be eligible you have to actually be a novice. I would base the year end Novice award on the results from that class, but leave "Rookie of the Year" up to the board as it currently is.

Thank you. So as a newer driver I would be eligible for a novice award, in theory?

Also, the biggest thing I think we should attempt to achieve with any changes is a simplification to the scoring procedure. Hell, if there were no n00bs and no RNPs, timing and scoring and event would be as simple as turning on the computer, setting up the lights, and getting a car to the line.

I'd like to make sure the goal of any changes is to streamline the dealing with RNP-ers and new drivers.

I am attempting to reduce the pain at tech, and registration with people who show up for 1-3 events and are never seen again. We spend way to much time confusing these people with classing, and rule books the first day they show up when we should be helping them understand their cars, driving, etc.

Anybody who shows up 4 times hopefully has a bit of a clue by then, and can ask for help on car classing, and make the jump to whatever class.

I realize this is just like RNP, and that is why it is a combined RNP/Novice proposal. The only reason I am differntiating them is because I ant the Ns to get some attention, and they don't have car numbers, etc. The other Key is that both R, and N can be run twice a day. T or any other class to be fair, cannot.

Maybe I should replace the word Novice with Beginner, but B is already taken.

We could generate a virtual "1st year" class results if we so choose...

Lets talk before the meeting so we don't take up 30 minutes between the two of us getting into timing symantecs.

Will do.

You wanna try to get their a bit early? Say 5:30, to discuss T&S issues related to this proposal?

Sure.

I can show up early, and I'd love to dicuss this stuff with you guys, when and where...5:30 at Austins?

Oh, Tyson said he's coming tonight too..I hope there's enough chairs. :lol:

I'd like to come up more. We'll have to see how this summer goes. If Josey is still working over night and sleeping most of the day much of my reason for staying home on weekends will be gone ;)

Fuckin n00bs. :rolleyes: :P

You know it is sooo cool that we can cus on our board.
SECCS>I-Club.

Eh, it's only cool because we don't do it to excess here. Get 35,000 members and watch how old it gets.

I guess that's the fuckin troof. 8)

So, I spent time I would've spent in the meeting, catching up on seccs.

Agenda looked like it had some topics on it that would lead to long discussion.

OMG! You are so right...We finally just has to say fuck it until next month...John Rigss Jr and Greg Benson got into a nice heated yelling match..very entertaining.

I love the topic that we tabled, but still spent the alloted 10-15 minutes on... You guys missed the hour and a half the directors spent on the superset question... Be glad that got trimmed.