SECCS Rifle Team update
 

The SECCS rifle team represented again this weekend at Military Rifle Silhouette, shooting pre-1946 rifles at metal Chickens (100m), Pigs (200m), Turkeys (300m), and Rams (500m). Knockdowns required for points.

Brian tried a new load in his M1 Garand, with decent success shooting a 17 out of 40 possible.

I brought only ammo to try out a '96 Swedish Mauser and the match format, to see if it's something I would want to jump into. Turns out that for a 1911-vintage rifle, it shoots pretty good. I shot a 21 out of 40, after shooting the Chickens from the standing position.

The match winner shot a 26, and good fun was had by all. Rams at 500m with open sights and a century old gun is not easy......so I bought the rifle and am ready for more! :D

How original do the weapons have to be to compete and how often do they hold this pre 1946 shoot?

Pretty original, once a month, and they have an "Open" class for M1A types. What do you have?

I'm not lucky enough to have a M1 but the thought crossed my mind as I read your first post on this thread. How often do they have shoots with AR-15s?

There are High Power matches every month, if you have a standard 20" A2 style AR15 for Service Rifle class. Both reduced range (100) and Over The Course (200, 300, 600).

In the summertime, there are the Varmint Silhouette matches once a month that I've been using my AR's for. That's fun.

I am going to try to do the High Power shoot on October 7th. That will satisfy my requirements for eligibilty to purchase rifles from CMP. See link below.

To get an M1 Garand is not hard to do. Derrick, the requirements are pretty easy to make. Especially since you were in the Military, Kevin too for that matter. Check out the links below.

http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles...quirements.htm

http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/m1garand.htm

Actually, the Turkeys are at 421 yards, or 400 meters.

Update: Saturday the SECCS Team took home 3rd place out of 34 shooters at the final Military Rifle Silhouette shoot of the year.

http://www.palominovalleygunclub.hom...m/Results.html

What I want to know is.....does Sportsman's still like you Brian?

Yeah, they like me. I didn't get yelled at for being 4 hours late to work. LOL.

*Whew*

It was funny, it kind of made a coworker mad. He told me a little tale about how he got the treatment for being an hour late. It was the next day after day-light savings time change. He also pointed out, that you can always get time off to go shooting or hunting, just don't be late for personal reasons. LOL.

Idea for the Varmint shoots...

I was looking into the Remington .223 pump rifle for the varmint shoots. What is the time limit in a round (semi auto vs pump) and can I use a scope?

Scopes allowed, yes.

What model is the Pump action? If you are talking about the Model 7615, I think you would be better off with a Standard M700 SPS in 223 or 204 Ruger. BTW, that is what I use when I shoot the VS shoots. A M700 SPS in 204 Ruger.

Here are the basic rules for the Varmint Silhouette shoots as copied from the Gun Club website. Off hand, or standing position is done without a sling. Sitting is done with the aid of a sling.

Basic Equipment

•Eye & ear protection.

•Rifle, any centerfire caliber .22-or-larger ("varmint" caliber or bullet weight recommended), sling (attached at both ends), iron or scope sight.

•Mat for sitting, binoculars.

•40 rounds of ammunition (no sighters allowed). Suggest previously zeroing rifle to strike one inch high at 100 yards. Or, you may adjust sight as you wish.

•Fee: $10 PVGCI members, $12 non-members, $5 Juniors.



Course of Fire

•Each line of Targets: Squirrel at 50 yards, Crow at 110 yards, Rabbit at 175 yards, Woodchuck at 175 yards, and Coyote at 210 yards.

•Shooter stays on one line of targets. A relay consists of one shot at each of your five targets in a three-minute period. Shoot four relays offhand, and four relays sitting.

•Scoring: one point for each target hit, target does not need to be knocked down. High scores for Standing, Sitting, Overall, and Junior.

This is the link to the proposed weapon.

http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/7615.htm

It is cool that is will take an AR syle magazine, but keep in mind any magazine over 10 rounds is illegal in Killafornia.

Also, even though it is based off of the M870 shotgun, I would be suspect of the accuracy they are claiming. My guess would be something along the line of Minute of Basketball at 210 yards. In other words, more often then not, a complete miss. Also, have you been able to locate one for sale in Killafornia? If so, how much is it?

Since it is being labled as 'Tactical' I would venture that they will want some pretty pennies for it. I still think you would be better off with something tried and true. Just my two cents worth.

He'd have to arrest himself, lol.

On the pump .223, the rounds are single-load only regardless of weapon type, so a semi has no advantage over a bolt rifle. The only reason I shoot my AR's is because I've got some accurate ones, and it's good practice.

I imagine that the Remington would be accurate enough for this game, but overall a poorer choice for a precision rifle. Since you already have an AR, you're not looking to get a Kali-Tactical rig, are you? If mag capacity and rate of fire mean nothing to you, a bolt rifle would be a much better way to go, and be useful for other things. For instance, if you got a Remington LTR 20" .223 with a quick twist, you could use it for long range precision work as well as stuff like the varmint shoots. If you are looking for something that would be ideal for the Varmint matches only, then a 7lb rifle in .223 with a lower power scope would be the ticket.

Brian where were you???

I had to hold the fort for the SECCS Rifle Team alone this time at the first Military Rifle Silhouette match of the season. I had a OK time of it, dropping (missing) 4 targets that should have been hits, 2 Pigs and 2 Chickens. I also rung a Ram with a center hit and it did not go over. I was drawn to shoot the hardest (Turkeys) last, in the wind.

Score: 6 Rams, 5 Turkeys, 8 Pigs, 8 Chickens = 27 out of 40 possible.

That was good enough for a tie for 3rd, and I won the ensuing shoot-off in high wind and high drama.

Varmint Silhouette on March 8 people!

Sorry there Bud! I got your message on Friday evening, and was like, "do'h!"

I had to return the M1 to my friend. So, no more Military Sil for me until I can find a replacement of some sort.

Varmint Sil, I should be able to make that one. As I haven't planned anything out for that weekend, just yet. I want to bring the 17 Remington out to play!!!

Varmint Silhouette was really fun today, the wind was doing 17mph for the first 2 stages (offhand), and calmed a bit for the final two (sitting). This resulted in lower scores, but the competition was still there.

My brother came along, and shot well, as well as a friend of mine in the CHP and his 11yo son. I coached his son along and let him shoot one of my lighter, shorter rifles. It was great experience for everyone.

I shot my 16" scoped recon AR and scored 21 out of 40 total, which was good enough for High Overall by 2 points. I also had High Sitting by a couple, and was in a sudden-death shootoff for High Offhand, which I won on the second shot. So basically, I took all the ribbons home :-)

Brian was supposed to be there, but wasn't, so we have no cumulative SECCS team score. Although, my brother wore a SECCS hoodie the whole time....

EDIT: Oh, and we stopped at Michael Hohl and checked out the STi's in the showroom, I need those fenders on my car.

Congrats on the sweep! Thems V'mits didn't stand a chance.

Nice Job Scotty.

Sorry, I got hit by the allergy bug Friday night. Tried to call you to let you know I wasn't gonna make it, but you phone was off.

Heh, I did my part, you get to pick the slack up next time lol.

Anyone else squared a rifle away for this yet? Next match is May 10th.

Went to the Sac a couple weekends ago and placed 3rd in a Tactical Bolt Rifle match, steel targets to 550yds. I was the only one shooting sans bipod.....I was beat by two of the RO's, clearly they know their range well.....;-)

OK, Varmint Silhouette on May 10th! Anybody here planning on it? I might shoot my new .22 Hornet.

^who can attend? details?

Brian posted the basics in post #13 above. Actually, sighters are allowed, but only a few to check zero - if your rifle isn't zeroed, you're probably out of luck.

I plan on making the May 10th event. The problem I am having is, which rifle do I bring?

1. M700 - 17 Remington
2. M700 - 204 Ruger
3. AR15 - 223 Remington / 5.56 Nato


The 204 is tried and true for this game. The 17 Rem would be a kick in the pants. The AR15 hasn't yet proven itself accurate enough for the game. As I haven't had time to test it out for accuracy. Grr!! The decisions. LOL.

Scotty, any suggestions?

Ok cool. Does each person need their own gun? I ask because if I go I will bring my friend and he doesn't have a .22. Also, is the scoring different for people who have a scope vs. those without?

No, the scoring is the same with or with out optics. Obviously, people using scopes will be at a greater advantage over people without. However, Scotty has used his standard AR15 without optics before, successfully.

If you are talking about a 22, as in 22 long rifle (rim fire) then it won't do either of you any good. The .22 referred to in post #13 is a centerfire of some sort. I.E. 22 Hornet, 222 Remington, 222 Rem. Mag, 223 Remington / 5.56 Nato, 220 Swift, 22-250, etc.

If you have any of the above mentioned calibers, you will be fine. And to answer your question in that context, then No, one gun for both shooters will work. You just need to speak to the event chair and let him know that you are sharing a firearm. He will then be able to put you in the same group.

Ok Brian, if you shoot your .17 Rem I'll shoot my .22 Hornet. It's a handicap, but I just have to try it! Unless you put a match trigger in that AR, I wouldn't shoot it....

Juice, any hunting-style centerfire will do, from 30-06 on down. The MD has been shooting a 25-06 lately.....just bring 50-60rds of ammo per person (that's a lot of $$ for the big stuff).

This thread makes me want to buy a gun. Competition shooting sounds like fun!

...'course I like handgun target shooting much more than rifle shooting. And I've never tried trap/skeet shooting, which looks like it could be more fun than both 'cause it's so dynamic.

Yeah I want to see if I can shoot a R700 like in Call of Duty!

I wonder if it'd be okay to yell out "BOOM!! HEADSHOT!!" every time I plunked a target?

^ Have you taken hunters safety?

I think I was 13 when I did.

Nope, but I do have both rifle and archery merit badges circa 1989.

Mean like this?

Yes, that's a real used-in-the-line-of-duty USMC M40A1 stock on that build.

No match trigger yet. Got layed off from my job, so funds were a little tight for a bit. I just got all my finances back in line with a new job. So, time to start saving again. LOL.

The 17 Rem would be fun. The only projectiles I have for it are 30g Bergers, which are considered heavy for caliber. But, they should do just fine. So long as there is only minor wind.

Speaking of wind, funny little story about the 17. Some friends and I went jack rabbit hunting on a windy day. Our set up was rather lethal to say the least. We typically went with 4 people total. Our system worked like this. Person 1 had a shotgun, persons 2 and 3 had 22lr's, then person 4 (me) had the long range rifle. Well, we pushed two jack rabbits well out of 22lr range up a hill side. So, I waited for them to stop. Interestingly, they stopped next to each other about 3 feet apart. I decided to shoot at the rabbit on the left. I sat down, steadied myself, squeezed the trigger, boom! My buddies yell, you got the right one! In a suprised voice I said, "I WASN'T AIMING AT THE RIGHT ONE!" Well, there was a pretty nasty left to right wind blowing that day. =)

Scott and Tyson, both of you should get rifles and come out. Talk about SECCS domination (maybe) just like with everything else this group does.

Oh yeah, Scott. There is a lovely single shot pistol call the T/C Encore. You can put a scope on it and switch out barrels as you see fit. Pretty slick if you ask me. Plus they have been extremely popular in long range pistol competitions for years.

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/firea...ls.php?ID=3556

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/g2ContenderPistols.php

:lol:

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/firea...ls.php?ID=3223

A .30-.30 14" pistol?!

I've seen them in 45-70 too. OUCH! The barrels are interchangable. So, if you want a 30-30, then so be it. If you want a 223, you are good to go.

No. 2702 22LR Match 12" Walnut Blued Adj. Sights
No. 2706 357 Mag 12" Walnut Blued Adj. Sights
No. 2708 44 Rem Mag 12" Walnut Blued Adj. Sights
No. 2720 45/410 Vent Rib 12" Walnut Blued Adj. Sights
No. 3556 223 Rem 14" Walnut Blued Adj. Sights
No. 3568 17 HMR 14" Walnut Blued Adj. Sights
No. 3552 22LR Match 14" Walnut Blued Adj. Sights
No. 3509 204 Ruger 14" Walnut Blued Adj. Sights
No. 3554 22 Hornet 14" Walnut Blued Adj. Sights
No. 3511 6.8 Rem 14" Walnut Blued Adj. Sights
No. 3558 7-30 Waters 14" Walnut Blued Adj. Sights
No. 3560 30/30 Win 14" Walnut Blued Adj. Sights
No. 3562 44 Rem Mag 14" Walnut Blued Adj. Sights
No. 3564 45/70 Gov't 14" Walnut Blued Adj. Sights
No. 3566 45/410 Vent Rib 14" Walnut Blued Adj. Sights
No. 3223 30-30 Win 14" SST Rubber Grips
No. 3209 17 HMR 14" SST Rubber Grips
No. 3213 204 Ruger 14" SST Rubber Grips
No. 3215 6.8 Rem 14" SST Rubber Grips
No. 3216 7-30 Waters 14" SST Rubber Grips
No. 3202 44 Rem Mag 14" SST Rubber Grips
No. 3221 45-70 Gov't 14" SST Rubber Grips

Thats like the gun that joker used to shoot down batman.

Bump, for a reminder that this weekend is a Varmint Silhouette shoot. Be out at the Washoe County gun range at 7am if you are coming.

I'm out. I don't have the correct firearm.

I will be there, with at least one more, maybe two.

Plan A is the Hornet, if Brian chickens out on the .17, I will default to the old standby.

No chicken, unless you are talking about lunch? The 17 is coming.

You know Scotty, you could always turn that thing into a 17 Ackley Hornet. http://www.varmintal.com/ashot.htm

Interesting website that I found a long time ago.

Heh, figured that would get you goin'. I checked out the Hornet this morning, and it seems up to the task.

Actually, I really like the idea of the factory cartridge. The low pressure, low powder consumption, and ~250yd application is appealing. I know the K-Hornet and such are supposed to be easier on brass and stuff, but I'm loading mine a good ~120fps under spec so no worries. A 40gr Vmax at ~2600fps is still plenty of punch. If I need more power, I can always grab the next gun up the ladder.

That's a short ladder!

SECCS team dominates again!

Conditions were perfect, so there was no chance of switching to more wind-proof rifles. Brian shot his .17 Rem, and I shot my .22 Hornet. After the last relay, we compared notes, and I told Brian I figured that I had shot a 24, two less than his 26.

Imagine our surprise when we were both called to the line for a shootoff! The RO designated the targets as Crows, Standing. The drama continued when I mentioned that since I had given Brian a ride (halfway) to the match, that he should simply default to me. Of course that didn't fly, so the shootoff proceeded. I ended up winning after two tension-filled rounds.

It turned out that the shootoff was for High Overall, but neither won High Offhand or High Sitting. I had not kept close track of my score sheet, but I couldn't remember if I had actually hit 26 or not. I called the match director later and asked him to check the arithmetic on the score card, and sure enough, he had added the relays wrong in my favor.

So, Brian won High Overall without needing a shootoff, even though it was pretty fun to do it. We are still waiting for the scores to be posted, but I think I still got 2nd. GOOD JOB BRIAN keeping the club honor intact!

I had a great time shooting the new Hornet, and it performed a little better than I was hoping, knocking down most of my hits, including one coyote. I ended up loaning my go-to AR to a squadmate who was having ammo troubles, so it was a good thing I brought both.

Here are the official results. I had a lot of fun this Saturday. I got a friend from Gardnerville to come out also. He had a blast and thanked my several times for inviting him to come out.

OH NO! I so wanted to beat Dave with a Hornet, LOL.