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sperry 2004-02-04 03:11 PM
2004 Reno PAX/RTP
 
Code:
2004 PAX/RTP
SS  .836  ASP  .848  AP .868  AM 1.00  STS  .791  FJ1 .785
AS  .828  BSP  .839  BP .863  BM .945  STX  .795  FJ2 .792
BS  .826  CSP  .837  CP .854  CM .913              FJ3 .825
CS  .811  DSP  .819  DP .844  DM .886  SM  .838  FJ4 .834
DS  .794  ESP  .824  EP .861  EM .894  SM2  .849
ES  .804  FSP  .813  FP .862  FM .889  SU  .853
FS  .803
GS  .781                                  F125 .938
HS  .776                                  FSAE .960

2004 Street Tire PAX/RTP
Reno Region Street Tire Multiplier: .968
NSS .809  NASP .821  AP  N/A  AM  N/A  STS  N/A  FJ1  N/A
NAS .802  NBSP .812  BP  N/A  BM  N/A  STX  N/A  FJ2  N/A
NBS .800  NCSP .810  CP  N/A  CM  N/A              FJ3  N/A
NCS .785  NDSP .793  DP  N/A  DM  N/A  SM  .811  FJ4  N/A
NDS .769  NESP .798  EP  N/A  EM  N/A  SM2  .822
NES .778  NFSP .787  FP  N/A  FM  N/A  SU  .826
NFS .777
NGS .756                                  F125  N/A
NHS .751                                  FSAE  N/A

Well, I got what looks like will be the upcoming season's PAX values, so I need to figure out if I'm going NSM or STX...

STX = .795
NSM = .811

Which means, on a 60 second course I have to be a little under 1 second faster to get the same PAX in NSM. So who thinks being able to modify my boost will pick up a second?

sperry 2004-02-04 03:14 PM
Oh, and Matt:

NAS = .802

So you're gonna have to run raw times .5 seconds faster than me to beat me if I'm in STX... and when you drove my car, realize my boost was turned down to about 10psi to keep cold air spikes under 1bar. ;) :twisted:

AtomicLabMonkey 2004-02-04 03:16 PM
Just get some real race tires and run SM.

dknv 2004-02-04 03:18 PM
closer to 1.2 seconds on a 60 second course...

sperry 2004-02-04 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey
Just get some real race tires and run SM.
Hey good idea... let's spend money on tires when I already got a set of Azenis that have like 80% tread left! Plus, it'll put me in a class that's even harder to compete in!

:lol:

If you didn't have those stupid weld-in subframe members, you'd be running in ESP. SM is too hard w/o way too much money.

sperry 2004-02-04 03:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dknv
closer to 1.2 seconds on a 60 second course...
How do you figure?

NSM(.811 * 60) - STX(.795 * 60) = 0.96 seconds

or were you talking about me and Matt?

NAS(.802 * 60) - STX(.795 * 60) = 0.42 seconds

AtomicLabMonkey 2004-02-04 03:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sperry
If you didn't have those stupid weld-in subframe members, you'd be running in ESP. SM is too hard w/o way too much money.
Except for those non-OEM front brakes... and brake lines... and coil-overs... :lol:

And yeah it is.

dknv 2004-02-04 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sperry
Quote:
Originally Posted by dknv
closer to 1.2 seconds on a 60 second course...
How do you figure?

NSM(.811 * 60) - STX(.795 * 60) = 0.96 seconds

or were you talking about me and Matt?

NAS(.802 * 60) - STX(.795 * 60) = 0.42 seconds
STX .795 * 60 = 47.7 adjusted time
NSM .811 * 60 = 48.66 adjusted time

In NSM, you'd need to run about 58.8 compared to 60 seconds in STX, to beat the STX adjusted time by about .02 seconds.

sperry 2004-02-04 03:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey
Quote:
Originally Posted by sperry
If you didn't have those stupid weld-in subframe members, you'd be running in ESP. SM is too hard w/o way too much money.
Except for those non-OEM front brakes... and brake lines... and coil-overs... :lol:

And yeah it is.
Um... I thought brakes were unlimited as long as the rotors were the same size as stock... and your rotors are the same size as Cobra rotors, so they're covered w/ the update/backdate rule, right?

I didn't know about the brake lines... I guess that keeps me out of ESP too! 'Course, the only thing better about ESP over STX for me is that I can swap my intercooler hoses...

And I always forget that coilovers on your car are totally different than the stock suspension.

sperry 2004-02-04 03:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dknv
Quote:
Originally Posted by sperry
Quote:
Originally Posted by dknv
closer to 1.2 seconds on a 60 second course...
How do you figure?

NSM(.811 * 60) - STX(.795 * 60) = 0.96 seconds

or were you talking about me and Matt?

NAS(.802 * 60) - STX(.795 * 60) = 0.42 seconds
STX .795 * 60 = 47.7 adjusted time
NSM .811 * 60 = 48.66 adjusted time

In NSM, you'd need to run about 58.8 compared to 60 seconds in STX, to beat the STX adjusted time by about .02 seconds.
Um, I guess I'm calculating adjusted time differences.... woops. Now we see why I'm in computer science and not a real engineering discipline.

AtomicLabMonkey 2004-02-04 03:34 PM
Quote:
14.6 Brakes
Any brake line, single or dual master cylinder, vacuum brake booster, brake proportioning valves may be used. This does not allow multiple separate cylinders, but does allow for any single, dual-circuit cylinder. "Safety breakers" and units such as the "Brake Guard System" are permitted. ABS braking systems may be disabled, but not removed; brake boosters may be removed or added. Air ducts may be fitted to the brakes, provided that they extend in a forward direction only, and that no changes are made in the body/structure for their use. They may serve no other purpose. Backing plates and dirt shields may be modified or removed.
:lol: Looks like the lines are actually legal, but the brakes are sold by Baer, even though they're the same thing as what's on the Cobras... so an assclown could probably protest that as not being covered by a backdate. But the coil-overs definitely knock me out of ESP since the stock springs are in a different location.

MattR 2004-02-04 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sperry
Oh, and Matt:

NAS = .802

So you're gonna have to run raw times .5 seconds faster than me to beat me if I'm in STX... and when you drove my car, realize my boost was turned down to about 10psi to keep cold air spikes under 1bar. ;) :twisted:
Yeah, good point, But last year, when you were in STX and I ran NAS, we were very close in times, so?

sperry 2004-02-04 04:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MattR
Quote:
Originally Posted by sperry
Oh, and Matt:

NAS = .802

So you're gonna have to run raw times .5 seconds faster than me to beat me if I'm in STX... and when you drove my car, realize my boost was turned down to about 10psi to keep cold air spikes under 1bar. ;) :twisted:
Yeah, good point, But last year, when you were in STX and I ran NAS, we were very close in times, so?
Actually, my math was bad, it's more than half a second. Plus I got coilovers since then... I'm just saying if I'm in STX, you're gonna have to bring your A game. :P

http://www.mtv.com/onair/movieawards...ne_notteen.jpg
"Oh, it's already be broughten!"

MattR 2004-02-04 04:21 PM
I always bring the A game...


Hahahhahaha at the picture!

Dean 2004-02-05 04:45 PM
Would that be you A stock game?

SM got hurt this year in PAX, and STX got helped.

I think Debbie even said that the STX PAX is bbetter than DS... Go figure...

dknv 2004-02-05 04:49 PM
uh, I meant the improvement in stx is better than the improvement in dstock.
.794 and .795 (vs. 2003 which were .795 & .798).

so you guys have a .001 higher pax than me in ds, but much more you can do to your cars. :x

sperry 2004-02-05 04:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dknv
uh, I meant the improvement in stx is better than the improvement in dstock.
.794 and .795 (vs. 2003 which were .795 & .798).

so you guys have a .001 higher pax than me in ds, but much more you can do to your cars. :x
Yeah.. it's amazing what R-compounds will do for ya. :P

Kevin M 2004-02-07 11:22 AM
Is the complete list of PAXs posted anywhere yet? If not, why aren't they posted here? ;)

sperry 2004-02-07 01:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BAN SUVS
Is the complete list of PAXs posted anywhere yet? If not, why aren't they posted here? ;)
Updated the 1st post!

Dean 2004-02-07 03:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BAN SUVS
Is the complete list of PAXs posted anywhere yet? If not, why aren't they posted here? ;)
Because Dean hadn't done it yet...

PAX as well as the schedule are posted now on www.RenoSCCA.com

Run group splits are in the process of being determined.

dknv 2004-02-13 01:32 PM
This is very interesting on nasioc regarding another class for STi...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...0&pagenumber=1

MattR 2004-02-15 07:55 AM
New STU Class????
 
So, do you think this will be something Reno region would adopt? Does it just take some pressure from STi/ Evo Drivers? Since it's in development stages, what is the course or plan to get a new class added? Sounds like a necessary option, because the Sti will not be in ESP for long.

dknv 2004-02-18 12:17 PM
Re: New STU Class????
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MattR
So, do you think this will be something Reno region would adopt? Does it just take some pressure from STi/ Evo Drivers? Since it's in development stages, what is the course or plan to get a new class added? Sounds like a necessary option, because the Sti will not be in ESP for long.
Sounds like its official, scca approved STU and STS2 for National Tour events.
http://www.sccaforums.com/ubb/ultima...ic/22/751.html

Matt - you bring up a good question. Dean: as a reno scca board member, can you help us understand how this would be addressed by reno?

sperry 2004-02-18 12:49 PM
Well, STS2 and STU didn't end up the way I thought they would. I was hoping STU would allow more modifications that STX does, similar to the way STX allows more mods than STS, however, it looks like these classes are just to allow additional, higher powered cars, and not more mods.

Though I can see an STU STi being a *very* formitable beast!

dknv 2004-02-18 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sperry
I was hoping STU would allow more modifications that STX does, similar to the way STX allows more mods than STS, however, it looks like these classes are just to allow additional, higher powered cars, and not more mods.
More mods = SM or SU :D


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