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dknv 2004-07-07 02:28 PM

Brake lines and zip ties
 
A novel idea -- but I don't think I would ever try it myself.

http://www.subaru-svx.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18789&perpage=15&pagenu mber=1<br%20/><br%20/>Good%20Luck

AtomicLabMonkey 2004-07-07 02:53 PM

Good lord. :roll: That might be useful for abrasion resistance, but there are better ways of doing even that...

sperry 2004-07-07 02:55 PM

good lord. :roll:

http://www.subaru-svx.net/photos/fil...etkd/17892.jpg

I guess that's supposed to be legal in stock classes? But what about passing saftey/tech inspection?

sperry 2004-07-07 02:56 PM

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Good lord. :roll:

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good lord. :roll:

:lol:

AtomicLabMonkey 2004-07-07 02:57 PM

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Good lord. :roll:

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good lord. :roll:


That's teh funnay... :disco:

tysonK 2004-07-07 04:55 PM

So if you zip tie all the way along why couldn't you just rig up a steel sheath for the hose. I didn't read the rules but this seems to push them.

You can keep your stock hose but have still basically have steel braided lines?

Why your at it, why not have a custom made sway bar that attaches to the stock one some how.

Nick Koan 2004-07-07 05:06 PM

pft. perfect opportunity to use pink zip ties, and the guy goes with black.

Kevin M 2004-07-07 10:06 PM

I swear this got debated to death back on nasioc or i-club last year. Austin, what do you suppose would happen if the gap between 2 of those zipties got to be, oh, 3/8" wide? And then you sent 1500 psi down that rubber line? Nothing good, I can imagine.

JC 2004-07-07 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nKoan
pft. perfect opportunity to use pink zip ties, and the guy goes with black.

Bah SVX owners aren't real Subie folk, they don't appreciate the STi image.

JC

JC 2004-07-07 10:11 PM

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Good lord. :roll:

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good lord. :roll:

Awwwww, you two are so cute.

sperry 2004-07-08 07:57 AM

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Good lord. :roll:


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good lord. :roll:

Awwwww, you two are so cute.

I think it's because we spent the same 6 years at Cal Poly making fun of all the same dumbshit cars in SLO. And the normal response: "good lord. :roll:"

AtomicLabMonkey 2004-07-08 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS
I swear this got debated to death back on nasioc or i-club last year. Austin, what do you suppose would happen if the gap between 2 of those zipties got to be, oh, 3/8" wide? And then you sent 1500 psi down that rubber line? Nothing good, I can imagine.

My guess would be nothing, because they're probably doing nothing to restrict line expansion in the first place. It's not like OEM rubber lines blow up like balloons when you step on the brake pedal, it's a pretty minor amount of expansion... probably under the amount of slack present in a zip tie that's "tight". If someone wanted to actually test it they could just take a good set of calipers & measure the line diameter under 0 & full pressure, before and after zip tie application. :lol:

Kevin M 2004-07-08 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS
I swear this got debated to death back on nasioc or i-club last year. Austin, what do you suppose would happen if the gap between 2 of those zipties got to be, oh, 3/8" wide? And then you sent 1500 psi down that rubber line? Nothing good, I can imagine.

My guess would be nothing, because they're probably doing nothing to restrict line expansion in the first place. It's not like OEM rubber lines blow up like balloons when you step on the brake pedal, it's a pretty minor amount of expansion... probably under the amount of slack present in a zip tie that's "tight". If someone wanted to actually test it they could just take a good set of calipers & measure the line diameter under 0 & full pressure, before and after zip tie application. :lol:

I'm normally a fan of zip-tie engineering, but something about tossing them on brakelines gives me the willies.

Besides, if the zip ties don't restrict line expansion, what the hell is the point? :lol:

Nick Koan 2004-07-08 05:21 PM

well according to the original thread, they were there for brakeline expansion. to get around the auto-x rule against steel braided lines. Sure the zip ties probably aren't as strong as steel braids, but it may offer some advantage over normal brakelines.

dknv 2004-07-08 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by nKoan
well according to the original thread, they were there for brakeline expansion. to get around the auto-x rule against steel braided lines. Sure the zip ties probably aren't as strong as steel braids, but it may offer some advantage over normal brakelines.

That's what I was wondering too.
So, if I ever autocrossed the old red legacy wagon, maybe I'll try that on it! :lol:

Kevin M 2004-07-08 10:32 PM

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well according to the original thread, they were there for brakeline expansion. to get around the auto-x rule against steel braided lines. Sure the zip ties probably aren't as strong as steel braids, but it may offer some advantage over normal brakelines.

That's what I was wondering too.
So, if I ever autocrossed the old red legacy wagon, maybe I'll try that on it! :lol:

If it's 10 years old, you can use steel lines. :)

sperry 2004-07-09 07:55 AM

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well according to the original thread, they were there for brakeline expansion. to get around the auto-x rule against steel braided lines. Sure the zip ties probably aren't as strong as steel braids, but it may offer some advantage over normal brakelines.

That's what I was wondering too.
So, if I ever autocrossed the old red legacy wagon, maybe I'll try that on it! :lol:

If it's 10 years old, you can use steel lines. :)

'splain yerself! I don't remember reading that rule.

Nick Koan 2004-07-09 08:54 AM

from the thread linked at the top

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It's a long story Mark, but since I want to compete in G-Stock SCCA AutoX next year, vehicles manufactured on or after '92, can't use steel braided lines. This is the only way to get around that rule while still keeping my car 'legal'.

If you want to read more, check out this thread: SCCA Solo II Stock Class
and from http://moutons.org/sccasolo/Rules/stock.html#s13

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13.6 Brakes

1. The make and material of brake linings may be changed.
2. Substitution of clutch and brake hydraulic lines with solid metal or braided metal is allowed on all cars manufactured before model year 1992.
3. Alternate brake bleeder fittings such as "Speedbleeders" are permitted They may serve no other purpose.

now, I'm not a big auto-xer, nor do I know the rules really well. I'm just cutting and pasting stuff from the SVX thread.

Kevin M 2004-07-09 12:03 PM

Ops, 12 years old now I guess. Applies even to the stock classes.


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