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Originally Posted by bigrobwoot
The people that don't want to finish high school, or barely graduate and just want to work, will be the same people that don't want to go to college for 2 years afterwards. It is wayyy too easy to get financial aid/loans. There is no excuse IMO to not being able to afford a state university, or at least a CC. I get a bunch of money from the Pell grant and state grants, and subsidize the rest with loans. The Pell grant is need based, so the people you are arguing for are guaranteed to get it if they want it, Scott.
If people would quit making excuses for their situation and actually do something to improve it, I think they would find that it is not that impossible. It does take hard work and tenacity, but it is possible to improve your situation.
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I don't understand what you're arguing with me about. I'm not suggesting that people be required to go to college. Just that if they want to go, there should be a way to do it for free. Grants and loans are nice measures to help out, but my idea was more in line with offering a program where if you're welfare eligible, you could be improving yourself getting a basic college education plus getting a place to live, food, etc. If you want/need to have welfare support, you "pay" for it by going to school (and then to a job-placement program perhaps). Basically, welfare isn't something you get on to sustain you, it's temporary assistance to give you everything you need to be able to eventually get by on your own.
People that don't want to finish high school are clearly on their own. Nothing I'm talking about would ever require someone that doesn't want help to take it. Burnouts can be burnouts all they want... and with my idea, burnouts don't get shit, as opposed to all the burnouts that are on welfare today.