I don't want to sound preachy by any means, if I do its only because you don't want to hear what I am saying becasue it doesn't fall in line with your belief's?
Do you have God or faith in your life? If you don't then what I say can only be the planting of the seed. You don't have to agree or disagree with what I say but I did say I'm not the best writer

so it is hard for me to put together a thread that make sence to the world at large
I can only try to do better!
really, I guess where I want to be in this thread is do you believe? again most say they do but there action's speak otherwise.
If we want to get to the bottom of this I think we must first establish want you want in the end of the thread and go from there. I don't know!!!??1!!
I'll start with this - Did Jesus really walk the earth, die, and be resurected? my answer is yes

with that information alone I'm forced to look at life in a different light and watch for the shades of gray then test them to the bible for accuracy, not some man behind a podium.
My faith is young and growing and my hope would be that one day I could put together a response that is so powerfull that all non-believers on this board would face the facts that there is a God and he is in control of your life and everyother life on this plant. Therefor we should respect what he has done for this nation and all who live in it.
George Washington - (this is writin at the top of the Washington Monument along with "Laus Deo" which is translated as "Praise be to God.")
"I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would have you, and the State over which you preside, in his holy protection, that he would incline the hearts of the Citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to Government, to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow Citizens of the United States at large, and particularly for their brethren who have served in the Field, and finally, that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all, to do Justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that Charity, humility and pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristicks of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation."