[sperry]

While we're all dropping our $0.02 around here (and while the search indexes are rebuilding) I'll add my opinion:

The bottom line with all these products is that you're only going to get out of it what you put into it. If you think you can tune better than someone w/ 100's of hours and 1000's of tunes and their own AWD dyno, then A) have at it, and B) start your own business. An experienced tuner is the number 1 thing that will give you a good tune... not the hardware or software. I bet Nate can tune a UniChip better than I could tune a StreetTuner.

In the case of MikeK's comparison of +5hp/+5tq on the EcuTek over the smoothness of the AP... My guess is that since the AP map was made in Utah, it's probably a bit better matched to the altitude here in Reno, hense the smoothness. I bet if you told Nate you weren't happy w/ the smoothness of his tune, he probably would have fixed it, *and* kept your hp/tq gains. The man is a perfectionist when it comes to tuning. You saw how many times he kept tossing MattR's and Nick's STis on the dyno trying to make their maps perfect. I have a really hard time believing that someone w/o real tuning experience is going to come even close to that sort of result tuning the car on the street.

But that's just my $0.02... directed not necessarily at Forgotton, but at all the people (*cough* Dean *cough*) that are implying that achieving a good tune on a modern ECU is akin to hooking up the old timing light and twisting the distributor.