[Dean]

I know nothing of labels except what the moderators put under my name, and I'm not even sure what a nutswinger is. I've had nothing but positive experiences with you,.

Fighting for traction is common for noobs. It takes time to learn how to not ask to much of your tires in any given instant. I'm still working on it as I beleive are the rest of us here, some are just further along the path than others. Its all about being smooth in your inputs to the car, brake, steering, and throttle.

And actually, you will learn these skills faster, the suckier your tires are.

There is nothing wrong with good all Seasons on a daily driver in Reno climate. That is what is on my A4. For Truckee, or a hard core skier, you would be pushing the envelope.

There is no possible way I could have driven as quickly or safely on our way home from Nick's in Truckee on my All Seasoned A4 as I did in Debbie's completely unfamiliar Legacy outback on Blizzak Revos.

Driving the cars back to back on the same surface minutes apart, the difference was huge. Yes, I could negotiate the road on my M&S tires, but to have close to the same level of confidence in the cars ability to respond to my input, the speed had to be about half or so of what it was on the Revos.