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Originally Posted by rallytheshytoutofwrx
damn.. good time!
i disagree with the whole snowplow thing. the m3 is a very tailhappy car, and the game reflects that- kinda. i mean think about it, in real life are you trying to push it 110% on high speed corners? how do you know an M3 at teh limit doesnt push a little bit...when i have a clean lap, the only place i really understeer is the big long turn before the tunnel..but i use to to help slow me down...
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The only way to make the M3 oversteer in GT4 is to make erratic control inputs at very high speed, or to floor it out of a very tight corner (like the hairpin in the current challenge). Neighter of those scenarios is really "oversteer", they're both just driving the car outside the car's available grip, i.e. spinning the car.
What I'm talking about is a controlable slip angle, where the rear wheels are tracking a circle outside that of the front. The M3 in this game does not oversteer, at all. If the rear wheels are ever tracking outside the front wheels, you are in a "save" situation where you need to do something to prevent a spin. On a fun car, you can use the throttle to steer... more throttle rotates, less straightens the car out. With the M3, more throttle pushes more, less throttle pushes less... you have to get the entry speed correct or you will not make the corner. Because the car is a pig, there is no way to correct mid corner, other than coming to a near stop and turning the car. Even dramatic throttle lift doesn't really rotate the car.
I challenge you to show me oversteer in the M3.... put the car into a steady state corner, and do *anything* to make the rear end come out. Flooring it makes it push, braking makes it push, turning in more makes it push. In short, there's nothing you can do because the car has terminal understeer. Now get in a car like the Miata or the Renault Turbo 5 Rally Car... put one of those in that same steady state corner. Floor it and you get power on oversteer, let off the gas fast and you get trailing throttle oversteer, hit the brakes and you'll probably spin... those cars have actual controlable slip angles.