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Originally Posted by Duckie
It is just frustrating because none of you are angels on the road. You will tell me how you have track experience and driving school but that doesnt change things, by the law you guys drive outside safe limits and so do they.
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For like the 9th time, hyporicy does not invalidate an argument.
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Ad Hominem Tu Quoque
This fallacy is committed when it is concluded that a person's claim is false because 1) it is inconsistent with something else a person has said or 2) what a person says is inconsistent with her actions. This type of "argument" has the following form:
1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B asserts that A's actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X.
3. Therefore X is false.
The fact that a person makes inconsistent claims does not make any particular claim he makes false (although of any pair of inconsistent claims only one can be true - but both can be false). Also, the fact that a person's claims are not consistent with his actions might indicate that the person is a hypocrite but this does not prove his claims are false.
Examples of Ad Hominem Tu Quoque
1. Bill: "Smoking is very unhealthy and leads to all sorts of problems. So take my advice and never start."
Jill: "Well, I certainly don't want to get cancer."
Bill: "I'm going to get a smoke. Want to join me Dave?"
Jill: "Well, I guess smoking can't be that bad. After all, Bill smokes."
2. Jill: "I think the gun control bill shouldn't be supported because it won't be effective and will waste money."
Bill: "Well, just last month you supported the bill. So I guess you're wrong now."
3. Peter: "Based on the arguments I have presented, it is evident that it is morally wrong to use animals for food or clothing."
Bill: "But you are wearing a leather jacket and you have a roast beef sandwich in your hand! How can you say that using animals for food and clothing is wrong!"
http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...tu-quoque.html
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Just because people here drive over the speed limit
does not in any way validate or imply that street racing is acceptable. If you'd like to talk about speeding, that's a seperate conversation. No one here is arguing there isn't a gray area when it comes to breaking the traffic laws. What we are saying is that street racing in all its forms are way into the black, and stupid. Going 10 over the limit is in the gray, weaving in and out of traffic is pretty damn dark gray, participating in a contest of speed is way the fuck over the line and has no hit of legitimacy.