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Originally Posted by Dean
Try again Scott.
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Okay will do.
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I never said anything about the top bar other than not knowing what it was for... I still do not know what the purpuse of the top bar is. Aaron suggested it was for seat backs, not I.
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I responded to Aaron about the seat back use. You argued that seats don't move, which implied you were agreeing with the bar being usable for seat back mounting. I said using a fixed mount for the seat back would be dumb because you could never move the seat even though the brackets would normally allow it.
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Originally Posted by Dean
The lower bar is for harnesses. You can follow the progression on the same damn Autopower Web site if you would care to.
http://www.autopowerindustries.com/rollbars.asp
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The actual wording was "All Race roll bars have a diagonal cross brace and
most have a harness mount tube." I figure some applications require a second bar for proper belt angle, while others use the main bar. If the larger horizontal is indeed the "harness mount tube", and therefore isn't included in *every* roll hoop, then I would be scared to use any one of the roll bars that are missing that horizontal.
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Originally Posted by Dean
I would not trust a belt only secured to that small of a bar. If you don't beleive me, normlly you belive Austin... Aparently not this time.
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Like I said, I can't tell what that upper bar is made of. If it's not strong enough for belts, then I certainly wouldn't attach the belts there! All I know is that I've seen cages with a bar in that location specifically for mounting the belts to.
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Originally Posted by Dean
I said adjustable = bolts.
You said adjustable = bolts.
You went over the edge talking about welding, etc...
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Sure, you said that seats can be moved via their mounting bolts. But you had also argued that the upper crossbar could be a seat bracket. If you're going to attach the seat to an immovable, welded in back bracket, no amount of bolts on the seat bottom will allow it to be moved.
Anyway, all this is pretty moot, and here's why, that bar isn't for belts or for the seat back:
That's the bolt in cage, in an Impreza wagon. The upper bar is way higher than I thought from the other picture. It's also solid metal, and not a round like I thought it was. So it's pretty beefy, but I wouldn't attach harnesses to it. The larger horizontal it a little lower than I'd want for harnesses (at least being as tall as I am) but it would work if you had a proper seat. So, I really don't know what that upper bar is for... as is in the photo, it really wouldn't add much strength to the cage... if it's supposed to reinforce the diagonal bar's connection with the main hoop, I think it would just shear due to the 90 angles on it during a rollover, instead of help out much. Maybe it's for a camera mount?
With that said, I wouldn't buy this cage. Certainly not the bolt in one. I don't like the bolt ends of all the pieces, or the slip fit of the c-pillar to main hoop bar. Hell, that won't even pass SCCA rules, as I believe all slip fits must be 8" overlap and double bolted. Additionally, that diagonal is in a position that will severely limit the passenger seat's location. You'll never be able to tilt it back more than like one click from upright. The passenger seats are already taller than the driver seats... so much for ever having a passenger over 5'6" at an autocross. With a helmet on, it'd be impossible to sit there w/o hitting your head on the ceiling. Maybe the weld-in cage for the coupe is a lot better, but I'd have to see exactly how it fits before I'd say it's a good idea.
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Originally Posted by Dean
Clearly you are right. I need more stickers.
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Don't we all!