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Dean · 2007-03-02, 11:44 PM

Scott, I do not claim to know what you do on a daily basis, but I work with developers on at least 5 different platforms probably using 10+ thing I generously call "languages", and god knows how many different development environments. Those environments run from good old text editor - compiler, to pure object oriented GUI with no access to the actual underlying code and everything in between including .net. So what exactly is your current experience with development outside of .net in the '00s?

Based on my experience in the gaming industry as well as working with major consulting groups and vendors of middleware, hardware, and applications on a daily basis, the .net environment continues to gain traction, but is not the dominant solution for enterprise applications. It is obviously the major player in the Wintel space, but despite Bill's wishes, the majority of enterprise applications do not run on his products.

I find it hard to believe that your "development tool" already has all the "libraries" you might need to build an application that uses for example, say... EMS or Rendezvous messaging? And how does it know if you need to use the PGSQL DAL? Clairvoyance?

The right tool for the right reasons... The SCCA web site does not need a $100,000 content management system, utilization analysis, or intrusion detection.

Front page and NVU which are what most of the old web site was created in are perfectly acceptable tools for developing and maintaining small web sites, and Word and Excel are perfectly acceptable tools for text and spreadsheet types of content. Just because you don't like those tools doesn't make them unsupportable. Attempting support them in a raw text editor may be near impossible, but so what?

You just can't admit that for the purpose of publishing the bloody schedule on the "temporary" web site, Word's HTML output would have been perfectly acceptable and taken you those same 2 seconds you took to make the fix in your hand coded HTML "index" page...

So be it.

I'm done with this topic.

2007-03-02, 11:44 PM	#32
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	Scott, I do not claim to know what you do on a daily basis, but I work with developers on at least 5 different platforms probably using 10+ thing I generously call "languages", and god knows how many different development environments. Those environments run from good old text editor - compiler, to pure object oriented GUI with no access to the actual underlying code and everything in between including .net. So what exactly is your current experience with development outside of .net in the '00s? Based on my experience in the gaming industry as well as working with major consulting groups and vendors of middleware, hardware, and applications on a daily basis, the .net environment continues to gain traction, but is not the dominant solution for enterprise applications. It is obviously the major player in the Wintel space, but despite Bill's wishes, the majority of enterprise applications do not run on his products. I find it hard to believe that your "development tool" already has all the "libraries" you might need to build an application that uses for example, say... EMS or Rendezvous messaging? And how does it know if you need to use the PGSQL DAL? Clairvoyance? The right tool for the right reasons... The SCCA web site does not need a $100,000 content management system, utilization analysis, or intrusion detection. Front page and NVU which are what most of the old web site was created in are perfectly acceptable tools for developing and maintaining small web sites, and Word and Excel are perfectly acceptable tools for text and spreadsheet types of content. Just because you don't like those tools doesn't make them unsupportable. Attempting support them in a raw text editor may be near impossible, but so what? You just can't admit that for the purpose of publishing the bloody schedule on the "temporary" web site, Word's HTML output would have been perfectly acceptable and taken you those same 2 seconds you took to make the fix in your hand coded HTML "index" page... So be it. I'm done with this topic. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids... Last edited by Dean; 2007-03-03 at 12:21 AM.