F1 Season 2012! - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

Nick Koan · 2011-11-29, 07:52 AM

The season is barely over, but the big news is that Kimi is coming back to Formula 1!

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin.../11/12858.html

He'll be joining the Lotus team for the next 2 years.

MattR · 2011-11-29, 08:14 AM

Yep, saw that just now, wow! that surprises me though, as that team has a pretty full depth chart...Either way, without Kubica, they need a performer.

So, do you think they'll keep Senna over Petrov? Or what happens with Grosjean now?

Nick Koan · 2011-11-29, 09:00 AM

If I had to make a guess, I would say Petrov gets the seat, with Senna and Grosjean looking like test/reserve drivers. I would hope that one or both are free to look at other teams for race drives.

sperry · 2011-11-29, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan

If I had to make a guess, I would say Petrov gets the seat, with Senna and Grosjean looking like test/reserve drivers. I would hope that one or both are free to look at other teams for race drives.

This. Petrov brings a bunch of money to the team, doesn't he? Not to mention, Petrov is more experienced and higher finishing than either Senna or Grosjean at this point.

Bob Danger · 2011-11-29, 12:24 PM

I'm excited.

sybir · 2011-11-29, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Danger

I'm excited.

You're excited? Feel these nipples!

MattR · 2011-12-07, 08:28 AM

Looks like Austin is alive again....

Quote:

Speed.com

Following its meeting in Delhi on Wednesday, the FIA World Motor Sport Council has confirmed that the 2012 F1 calendar is unchanged.

That in effect must mean that Circuit of the Americas has signed a deal with Bernie Ecclestone for the race to happen, given that Ecclestone said that the meeting was the deadline.

However, it remains to be seen whether the track can be built in time, given the recent stoppage at the venue, with little in the way of activity seen for several weeks.

Bahrain also appears on the calendar despite obvious doubts about the wisdom of F1 going there.

Bahrain’s Sheikh Abdulla Bin Isa Khalifa is a WMSC member after Jean Todt gave him the presidency of the CIK, the karting commission.

Here is the calendar as originally published:

03/18 Australia
03/25 Malaysia
04/15 China
04/22 Bahrain
05/13 Spain
05/27 Monaco
06/10 Canada
06/24 Europe
07/08 Great Britain
07/22 Germany
07/29 Hungary
09/02 Belgium
09/09 Italy
09/23 Singapore
10/07 Japan
10/14 Korea
10/28 India
11/4 Abu Dhabi
11/18 United States
11/25 Brazil

Nick Koan · 2011-12-09, 07:32 AM

Roman Grosjean gets the second seat at Lotus

http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/12/09/g...konen-at-lrgp/

Bob Danger · 2011-12-09, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Koan

Roman Grosjean gets the second seat at Lotus

http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/12/09/g...konen-at-lrgp/

I just saw that, I wonder where Petrov will end up. He's got solid backing doesn't he?

sperry · 2011-12-09, 10:43 AM

That's actually pretty surprising. Not only does Petrov bring a bunch of money to the table... he's also turned into quite the capable driver. I'm not sure why any team would want Grosjean over Petrov.

Nick Koan · 2011-12-09, 10:46 AM

Reading between the lines, it looks like the Lotus title sponsor Total has put down more money than Petrov brought to the table.

I'm sure Petrov will find a drive with another team. Maybe Marussia will want a Russian driver, now that they've taken over the Virgin team.

sperry · 2011-12-16, 12:44 PM

So... the lineup so far:

Red Bull: VET WEB
McLaren: BUT HAM
Ferrari: ALO MAS
Mercedes: MSC ROS
Lotus-Renault: RAI GRO
Force India: DIR HUL
Sauber: KOB PER
Toro Rosso: RIC VER
Williams: MAL ???
Caterham: KOV TRU
HRT: DLR ???
Marussia: GLO PIC

Not many seats left. I'm absolutely floored that Sutil doesn't have a ride. Sure, Di Resta came on strong at the end of the season, but if you're not Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari, or Mercedes, I would think Sutil is an asset to your team!

That said, I'm super glad Hulkenberg has a full seat this season, and Force India is not a terrible team to be driving for. Good for him.

I hope Williams brings Barrichello back for one more season. I'd hate for him to retire w/o a swan-song season. Plus it's a shame that Kubica's and Heidfeld's careers in F1 are likely over.

Finally, I'm curious how all these new drivers stack up to Alguersuari, Petrov, Buemi, Sutil, and Senna. All those guys scored points in 2011, and with good cars I think are podium capable drivers. Meanwhile, guys like Trulli and Glock still have seats... and while I respect those two, they'd be on my list of drivers I'd be willing to lose in exchange for some new kid with promise... like Liuzzi and d'Ambrosio.

Oh, and what's the over/under on the date that Kimi gets sacked for lack of motivation?

A1337STI · 2012-01-06, 03:39 PM

I think i'm gonna watch some F1 this year.. it should be super exciting...

and wow Kimi is going back to F1 ... but its been hard for the better finishing WRC drivers to land factory seats and sponsorship.. so maybe its easier for Kimi to to get an F1 ride... (damn what an awesome position to be in... do i road race at the top world level, or do i rally at the top world level) .... color me jealous! lmao!

or Kimi starts to complain that the lotus car isn't competitive enough and they ditch him for someone who won't "put them on blast"

Nick Koan · 2012-01-06, 03:40 PM

Or do I drive on in oval at the top world level. He's had some tough decisions.

sperry · 2012-01-06, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan

Or do I drive on in oval at the top world level. He's had some tough decisions.

The problem with being a jack of all trades is that you end up sucking at everything compared to the specialists.

Kimi's world championship was a fluke. His WRC and NASCAR finishes I think more accurately represent his ability.

Bob Danger · 2012-01-06, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

The problem with being a jack of all trades is that you end up sucking at everything compared to the specialists.

Kimi's world championship was a fluke. His WRC and NASCAR finishes I think more accurately represent his ability.

Maybe he's learned some humility.

MPREZIV · 2012-01-07, 11:28 AM

Of all the people I can thing of to "learn some humility" Kimi is not high on that list...

He does seem positive and optimistic about the up-coming season, and not excessively cocky... Cocky, but not excessive...

Bob Danger · 2012-01-11, 05:57 PM

Kubica fractured his tibia.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...2/1/12922.html

MattR · 2012-01-11, 07:48 PM

He needs to be placed into a safety bubble going forward.

Nick Koan · 2012-01-12, 08:51 AM

Jebus. After his Montreal crash, I thought he was invincible.

MattR · 2012-01-12, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan

Jebus. After his Montreal crash, I thought he was invincible.

I know, but since he lived through that, not much else has gone his way. It sucks because I think he could have really produced by this point in his F1 career.

A1337STI · 2012-01-12, 03:53 PM

Is it March yet? I have finally joined the 2000's and I have a DVR so I can more easily follow the season ..

Nick Koan · 2012-01-17, 07:56 AM

Bruno Senna will be driving the second Williams this year

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...2/1/12929.html

sperry · 2012-01-17, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Koan

Bruno Senna will be driving the second Williams this year

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...2/1/12929.html

Man, I was really hoping for Barrichello or Sutil. I don't hate Senna, but I like those other two so much more. Especially Sutil... I think he's a championship contender in a top car.

Nick Koan · 2012-01-25, 10:43 AM

Ooh car pics.

Caterham has released pictures of their 2012 car.

Also, some good analysis of the differences (we can see):
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2012/0...aterham-ct-01/

2011-11-29, 07:52 AM	#1
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	F1 Season 2012! The season is barely over, but the big news is that Kimi is coming back to Formula 1! http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin.../11/12858.html He'll be joining the Lotus team for the next 2 years. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2011-11-29, 08:14 AM	#2
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Yep, saw that just now, wow! that surprises me though, as that team has a pretty full depth chart...Either way, without Kubica, they need a performer. So, do you think they'll keep Senna over Petrov? Or what happens with Grosjean now? __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2011-11-29, 09:00 AM	#3
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	If I had to make a guess, I would say Petrov gets the seat, with Senna and Grosjean looking like test/reserve drivers. I would hope that one or both are free to look at other teams for race drives. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2011-11-29, 12:24 PM	#5
Bob Danger Tape Terrorist Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Melmac Posts: 1,792 Car: ? Class: Retired! Warning: Prolonged eye contact may cause insanity	I'm excited. __________________ A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi.

2011-12-09, 07:32 AM	#8
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Roman Grosjean gets the second seat at Lotus http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/12/09/g...konen-at-lrgp/ __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2011-12-09, 10:43 AM	#10
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	That's actually pretty surprising. Not only does Petrov bring a bunch of money to the table... he's also turned into quite the capable driver. I'm not sure why any team would want Grosjean over Petrov. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2011-12-09, 10:46 AM	#11
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Reading between the lines, it looks like the Lotus title sponsor Total has put down more money than Petrov brought to the table. I'm sure Petrov will find a drive with another team. Maybe Marussia will want a Russian driver, now that they've taken over the Virgin team. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2011-12-16, 12:44 PM	#12
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	So... the lineup so far: Red Bull: VET WEB McLaren: BUT HAM Ferrari: ALO MAS Mercedes: MSC ROS Lotus-Renault: RAI GRO Force India: DIR HUL Sauber: KOB PER Toro Rosso: RIC VER Williams: MAL ??? Caterham: KOV TRU HRT: DLR ??? Marussia: GLO PIC Not many seats left. I'm absolutely floored that Sutil doesn't have a ride. Sure, Di Resta came on strong at the end of the season, but if you're not Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari, or Mercedes, I would think Sutil is an asset to your team! That said, I'm super glad Hulkenberg has a full seat this season, and Force India is not a terrible team to be driving for. Good for him. I hope Williams brings Barrichello back for one more season. I'd hate for him to retire w/o a swan-song season. Plus it's a shame that Kubica's and Heidfeld's careers in F1 are likely over. Finally, I'm curious how all these new drivers stack up to Alguersuari, Petrov, Buemi, Sutil, and Senna. All those guys scored points in 2011, and with good cars I think are podium capable drivers. Meanwhile, guys like Trulli and Glock still have seats... and while I respect those two, they'd be on my list of drivers I'd be willing to lose in exchange for some new kid with promise... like Liuzzi and d'Ambrosio. Oh, and what's the over/under on the date that Kimi gets sacked for lack of motivation? __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2012-01-06, 03:39 PM	#13
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	I think i'm gonna watch some F1 this year.. it should be super exciting... and wow Kimi is going back to F1 ... but its been hard for the better finishing WRC drivers to land factory seats and sponsorship.. so maybe its easier for Kimi to to get an F1 ride... (damn what an awesome position to be in... do i road race at the top world level, or do i rally at the top world level) .... color me jealous! lmao! or Kimi starts to complain that the lotus car isn't competitive enough and they ditch him for someone who won't "put them on blast" __________________ Fighting uphill battles, one bullet at a time!

2012-01-06, 03:40 PM	#14
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Or do I drive on in oval at the top world level. He's had some tough decisions. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2012-01-07, 11:28 AM	#17
MPREZIV Token Real Name: Le Stig Afrique? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sitting next to a big yellow box Posts: 3,589 Car: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Class: 05 TDSP No, I won't work on your car. F your car*	Of all the people I can thing of to "learn some humility" Kimi is not high on that list... He does seem positive and optimistic about the up-coming season, and not excessively cocky... Cocky, but not excessive... __________________ "...these condoms have a topical anesthetic to reduce sensitivity, so you can last longer. What a paradox. You can't feel a thing, but you can f*ck for HOURS..."

2012-01-11, 05:57 PM	#18
Bob Danger Tape Terrorist Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Melmac Posts: 1,792 Car: ? Class: Retired! Warning: Prolonged eye contact may cause insanity	Kubica fractured his tibia. http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...2/1/12922.html __________________ A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi.

2012-01-11, 07:48 PM	#19
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	He needs to be placed into a safety bubble going forward. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2012-01-12, 08:51 AM	#20
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Jebus. After his Montreal crash, I thought he was invincible. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2012-01-12, 03:53 PM	#22
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	Is it March yet? I have finally joined the 2000's and I have a DVR so I can more easily follow the season .. __________________ Fighting uphill battles, one bullet at a time!

2012-01-17, 07:56 AM	#23
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Bruno Senna will be driving the second Williams this year http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...2/1/12929.html __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2012-01-25, 10:43 AM	#25
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Ooh car pics. Caterham has released pictures of their 2012 car. Also, some good analysis of the differences (we can see): http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2012/0...aterham-ct-01/ Attached Images __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN Last edited by Nick Koan; 2012-01-25 at 10:46 AM.

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