FOTA to launch rival championship next year. - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

Nick Koan · 2009-06-18, 05:29 PM

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/18/b...akaway-series/
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...46159&PO=46159

Yup, Ferrari, McLaren, Toyota, Renault, BMW, Brawn, Red Bull, Toro Rosso are going to be starting their own series, leaving F1 with Force India, Williams, US F1, Campos, Manor and whomever else Bernie lets in for next year.

MattR · 2009-06-18, 06:28 PM

Well, at least Williams is happy about becoming the 2010 FIA F1 champs!

Nick Koan · 2009-06-18, 07:12 PM

Maybe US F1 will take the championship in their maiden year.

skimonkey30 · 2009-06-18, 08:57 PM

wow

did they ever actually go that far during the previous "row?"

sperry · 2009-06-18, 09:59 PM

Wow. While I mostly side with the teams on this, it's really a sad way to see F1 end. I guess it's been a pretty good 60 years.

Nick Koan · 2009-06-18, 10:28 PM

I'm curious to see if Bernie is going to throw a hissy fit and throw everyone out of the rest if this years championship. Brawn could still take it.

sperry · 2009-06-18, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan

I'm curious to see if Bernie is going to throw a hissy fit and throw everyone out of the rest if this years championship. Brawn could still take it.

Only if he wants to get sued so bad the teams really will be able to afford to create their own championship in 2010.

MPREZIV · 2009-06-19, 06:41 AM

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...This series will have transparent governance, one set of regulations, encourage more entrants and listen to the wishes of the fans, including offering lower prices for spectators worldwide, partners and other important stakeholders.

Ideas like this definitely sound promising, as I think these are some of the problems they've been fighting for a while. I'm tired of Bernie's bullshit frankly.

It is sad to see the sport falling apart tho...

Dean · 2009-06-19, 07:53 AM

I think both Scott and I have said this before, but I'd still like to to see a series where they get a fixed amount of gas or it's energy equivalent and lets see who gets to the finish line first with very few other rules except safety related.

Not sure what current consumption is and you would start near but a bit under that, and it would progress say year 1 it is 1 gallon per race mile and it bumps up 1 or more race miles per year. That would create some real innovation!

Nick Koan · 2009-06-19, 08:18 AM

FIA is predictably filing a breach of contract and other stuff against Ferrari and FOTA.

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/148554/...inst_fota.html

This years silly seaon is going to be the best one yet.

Dean · 2009-06-19, 08:47 AM

"a grave violation of competition law"...

What court oversees "competition law"?

I'd like to file a infield fly or clipping suit and maybe in Europe, a yellow/red card suit

And can you have a "grave" violation? That doesn't sound like proper usage of the word. You can have grave consequences, but a grave violation?

Joeyy · 2009-06-19, 09:32 AM

What tracks will the two series run on?

sperry · 2009-06-19, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean

"a grave violation of competition law"...

What court oversees "competition law"?

I'd like to file a infield fly or clipping suit and maybe in Europe, a yellow/red card suit

And can you have a "grave" violation? That doesn't sound like proper usage of the word. You can have grave consequences, but a grave violation?

They do have business contracts filed in various countries (usually France for FIA related stuff). The violation of which will incur financial penalties. I don't know why they'd call it "competition law" unless France has something on the books specifically for these types of contracts.

But either way, Ferrari and both Red Bull teams (IIRC) signed contracts w/ the FIA/Bernie through 2012 that they'll be violating by jumping ship. I guess their counter argument is that the FIA already violated the contract by acting unilaterally in the decision to impose spending caps.

skimonkey30 · 2009-06-24, 08:15 AM

no breakaway?

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...24160141.shtml
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...24163106.shtml

No Max Mosley after this year. So hopefully we can stop all these silly rule changes

Nick Koan · 2009-06-24, 08:17 AM

I think thats all they really wanted.

sperry · 2009-06-24, 08:37 AM

Thank god. Those idiots were about to CART/IRL themselves into oblivion.

sybir · 2009-06-24, 08:38 AM

Exactly. Good to see the entry list growing instead of shrinking, too.

sperry · 2009-06-25, 12:33 PM

Wow.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...25095137.shtml

If Jean Todt takes over Max Mosley's job as FIA president... this whole FIA/FOTA compromise will actually be a hostile takeover of the FIA by FOTA. Sure the teams don't "like" Todt, but IMO he's still a Ferrari guy and would likely represent the teams interest a crap ton more than Mosley did.

Pretty damn impressive. Those FOTA blokes really played their cards well... it probably worked because they weren't bluffing and would really have started their own series that actually would have beat F1.

All in all, I think FOTA is going to do great things for F1. I'm actually really looking forward to next season now, instead of dreading what it was going to look like!

skimonkey30 · 2009-06-27, 06:21 PM

uh oh

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...26093419.shtml
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...26170508.shtml

but then again who the fuck knows

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...27161353.shtml

2009-06-18, 05:29 PM	#1
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	FOTA to launch rival championship next year. http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/18/b...akaway-series/ http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...46159&PO=46159 Yup, Ferrari, McLaren, Toyota, Renault, BMW, Brawn, Red Bull, Toro Rosso are going to be starting their own series, leaving F1 with Force India, Williams, US F1, Campos, Manor and whomever else Bernie lets in for next year. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2009-06-18, 06:28 PM	#2
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Well, at least Williams is happy about becoming the 2010 FIA F1 champs! __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2009-06-18, 07:12 PM	#3
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Maybe US F1 will take the championship in their maiden year. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2009-06-18, 08:57 PM	#4
skimonkey30 Mr. Romano Real Name: David Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 932 Car: 2013 F150 Class: Mellow Yellow Rubbin's Racin	wow did they ever actually go that far during the previous "row?" __________________ That would be Mr. Dipshit to you.........sir

2009-06-18, 09:59 PM	#5
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Wow. While I mostly side with the teams on this, it's really a sad way to see F1 end. I guess it's been a pretty good 60 years. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2009-06-18, 10:28 PM	#6
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	I'm curious to see if Bernie is going to throw a hissy fit and throw everyone out of the rest if this years championship. Brawn could still take it. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2009-06-19, 07:53 AM	#9
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	I think both Scott and I have said this before, but I'd still like to to see a series where they get a fixed amount of gas or it's energy equivalent and lets see who gets to the finish line first with very few other rules except safety related. Not sure what current consumption is and you would start near but a bit under that, and it would progress say year 1 it is 1 gallon per race mile and it bumps up 1 or more race miles per year. That would create some real innovation! __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2009-06-19, 08:18 AM	#10
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	FIA is predictably filing a breach of contract and other stuff against Ferrari and FOTA. http://www.crash.net/f1/news/148554/...inst_fota.html This years silly seaon is going to be the best one yet. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2009-06-19, 08:47 AM	#11
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	"a grave violation of competition law"... What court oversees "competition law"? I'd like to file a infield fly or clipping suit and maybe in Europe, a yellow/red card suit And can you have a "grave" violation? That doesn't sound like proper usage of the word. You can have grave consequences, but a grave violation? __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2009-06-19, 09:32 AM	#12
Joeyy i can has kart? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: CA Posts: 1,228	What tracks will the two series run on?

2009-06-24, 08:15 AM	#14
skimonkey30 Mr. Romano Real Name: David Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 932 Car: 2013 F150 Class: Mellow Yellow Rubbin's Racin	no breakaway? http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...24160141.shtml http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...24163106.shtml No Max Mosley after this year. So hopefully we can stop all these silly rule changes __________________ That would be Mr. Dipshit to you.........sir

2009-06-24, 08:17 AM	#15
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	I think thats all they really wanted. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2009-06-24, 08:37 AM	#16
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Thank god. Those idiots were about to CART/IRL themselves into oblivion. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2009-06-24, 08:38 AM	#17
sybir The Don Real Name: Aaron Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,097 Car: '97 Legacy / '05 FXT Class: low	Exactly. Good to see the entry list growing instead of shrinking, too. __________________ Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic.

2009-06-25, 12:33 PM	#18
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Wow. http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...25095137.shtml If Jean Todt takes over Max Mosley's job as FIA president... this whole FIA/FOTA compromise will actually be a hostile takeover of the FIA by FOTA. Sure the teams don't "like" Todt, but IMO he's still a Ferrari guy and would likely represent the teams interest a crap ton more than Mosley did. Pretty damn impressive. Those FOTA blokes really played their cards well... it probably worked because they weren't bluffing and would really have started their own series that actually would have beat F1. All in all, I think FOTA is going to do great things for F1. I'm actually really looking forward to next season now, instead of dreading what it was going to look like! __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints? Last edited by sperry; 2009-06-25 at 12:37 PM.

2009-06-27, 06:21 PM	#19
skimonkey30 Mr. Romano Real Name: David Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 932 Car: 2013 F150 Class: Mellow Yellow Rubbin's Racin	uh oh http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...26093419.shtml http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...26170508.shtml but then again who the fuck knows http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...27161353.shtml __________________ That would be Mr. Dipshit to you.........sir

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