Mustang turbos - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

AtomicLabMonkey · 2005-01-18, 09:10 AM

Turbo kit under development for the new Mustangs:

http://www.ultimate-racing.com/Produ...TurboKit.shtml

That's gonna be pretty nuts. :shock:

MikeSTI · 2005-01-18, 09:32 AM

that does look nuts :shock:

I dont understand why you would want to turbo a N/A car though. Isn't it better to just go the super charger route? 7/8 psi seems like a lot of unused turbo (x2) :shock:

Nick Koan · 2005-01-18, 09:32 AM

No fair. You've already got displacement, you don't need FI as well.

MikeSTI · 2005-01-18, 09:37 AM

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No fair. You've already got displacement, you don't need FI as well.

yah they do otherwise my car is just as fast

love the front mount (hope it gets air)

AtomicLabMonkey · 2005-01-18, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeSTI

I dont understand why you would want to turbo a N/A car though. Isn't it better to just go the super charger route?

From my understanding both turbos & superchargers have their advantages & disadvantages. Disadvantages of a supercharger include significant drag on the engine, plus having to deal with a super-tight serpentine belt to keep the charger pulley from slipping & reducing boost.

sperry · 2005-01-18, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeSTI

that does look nuts :shock:

I dont understand why you would want to turbo a N/A car though. Isn't it better to just go the super charger route? 7/8 psi seems like a lot of unused turbo (x2) :shock:

The Turbo vs. Supercharger debate has been going for eons. The reason you usually see superchargers on large displacement cars is because most people that have the large displacement cars are into drag racing, and the supercharger is a little bit better for dragging than turbos since the power is lag-less.

However, for a track driven Mustang, I could see a twin-turbo kit making a lot of sense. The car already has a ton of torque low-down, so much so, that traction is already an issue exiting corners. The added low-end grunt that the supercharger has over the turbo isn't necessary in that scenario. Also, a 4.6L or 5.0L motor can flow quite a bit of exhaust, so they should get pretty good turbo response.

That kit in particular looks like it could be using TD04 (stock WRX) sized turbos. Two of those should be good enough to flow for 500 to 600hp. Although I'd like to see the compression on the motor dropped a hair so they could run the turbos in the 12psi range where they're most efficient, using them to boost 6 or 7 intercooled psi on a stock motor should make that car faster than stink, with a ton of low-end to boot.

Assuming the driver can keep the wheels hooked up, that Mustang will smoke STi's at the strip, and with the addition of suspension and brake mods, it should give even modded STi's a run out at the track.

AtomicLabMonkey · 2005-01-18, 10:06 AM

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Assuming the driver can keep the wheels hooked up, that Mustang will smoke STi's at the strip, and with the addition of suspension and brake mods, it should give even modded STi's a run out at the track.

I have to say, I am impressed with the new cars. We have one at the shop now and although I don't care much for the interior, from a performance standpoint it is really nice. It actually feels like a well put together car straight from the factory, as opposed to the older ones like mine which feel like 1978 Fairmonts. It rides well and grips the road without being overly harsh, chassis feels stiff, steering and brakes are quite responsive, and the engine feels good too.

MikeSTI · 2005-01-18, 11:29 AM

I would just think for the price of that kit, you might as well do a little more so you could run higher boost

sperry · 2005-01-18, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeSTI

I would just think for the price of that kit, you might as well do a little more so you could run higher boost

I agree... I think lower compression pistons + higher boost would make a ton more power, and be less prone to knock. Drop that motor to 9.0:1 and bump the boost to 12 psi.

AtomicLabMonkey · 2005-01-18, 11:57 AM

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I would just think for the price of that kit, you might as well do a little more so you could run higher boost

I agree... I think lower compression pistons + higher boost would make a ton more power, and be less prone to knock. Drop that motor to 9.0:1 and bump the boost to 12 psi.

According to the rumor mill you'd probably need to replace the pistons anyway to run any more than minimal boost like that, due to the OEM piston strength limitations.

Kevin M · 2005-01-18, 02:18 PM

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I would just think for the price of that kit, you might as well do a little more so you could run higher boost

I agree... I think lower compression pistons + higher boost would make a ton more power, and be less prone to knock. Drop that motor to 9.0:1 and bump the boost to 12 psi.

According to the rumor mill you'd probably need to replace the pistons anyway to run any more than minimal boost like that, due to the OEM piston strength limitations.

Like pretty much every factory non-turbo motor.

MikeK · 2005-01-18, 03:11 PM

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Like pretty much every factory non-turbo motor.

And USDM STis!

Kevin M · 2005-01-18, 05:04 PM

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Like pretty much every factory non-turbo motor.

And USDM STis!

Don't make me hide another body.

MikeSTI · 2005-01-18, 07:56 PM

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Like pretty much every factory non-turbo motor.

And USDM STis!

we our only trying to get 12psi not 25+ it takes for a STi to need a piston swap, I did want to post that!!!

sp00ln · 2005-01-19, 01:20 AM

Speaking of 05 mustangs - Has anyone seen those around yet?

AtomicLabMonkey · 2005-01-19, 08:58 AM

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Speaking of 05 mustangs - Has anyone seen those around yet?

Yes, Chuck (MM owner) has one as a daily driver. We got it in a little over a week ago.

Nick Koan · 2005-01-19, 09:17 AM

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Speaking of 05 mustangs - Has anyone seen those around yet?

I've seen a few around, here and there.

Kevin M · 2005-01-19, 02:18 PM

I saw like 7 on the way to Thunder Hill and back last saturday. Only seen one in Reno so far- wonder why.

sp00ln · 2005-01-21, 09:58 PM

How do they look in person?

Kevin M · 2005-01-22, 12:56 AM

I love the front end, but the profile is kind of "eh" around the rear fender/C pillar. Looks okay from behind. Much better on first impression than the last redesign (which I also liked styling-wise).

BOO · 2005-02-02, 01:35 PM

This isnt about turbos but its about Mustangs.. lol
besides I was too lazy to start a new thead..
I dont usually like Mustangs but this picture is badass !!! I especially like the choice of Color

AtomicLabMonkey · 2005-02-02, 01:38 PM

Hmm. Looks like mostly a Saleen knock-off.. the bodywork's a little too cluttered for my taste.

BOO · 2005-02-02, 01:39 PM

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Hmm. Looks like mostly a Saleen knock-off.. the bodywork's a little too cluttered for my taste.

Are you implying its more of a RICER style Mustang??? .. lol :wink:

BOO · 2005-02-02, 01:40 PM

I just think overall its nice and Clean.. Not too many stickers.. lol

AtomicLabMonkey · 2005-02-02, 01:43 PM

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Are you implying its more of a RICER style Mustang??? .. lol :wink:

It certainly wouldn't be the first, or the last.

2005-01-18, 09:10 AM	#1
AtomicLabMonkey Nightwalker Real Name: Austin Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Oshkosh, WI Posts: 4,063 Car: '13 WRX YGBSM	Mustang turbos Turbo kit under development for the new Mustangs: http://www.ultimate-racing.com/Produ...TurboKit.shtml That's gonna be pretty nuts. :shock: __________________ "None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you.. you're locked in here with me."

2005-01-18, 09:32 AM	#2
MikeSTI EJ205 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,354 Car: 2004 STi Class: TSM I can't complain	that does look nuts :shock: I dont understand why you would want to turbo a N/A car though. Isn't it better to just go the super charger route? 7/8 psi seems like a lot of unused turbo (x2) :shock: __________________ Cobb Stage 2

2005-01-18, 09:32 AM	#3
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	No fair. You've already got displacement, you don't need FI as well. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2005-01-18, 11:29 AM	#8
MikeSTI EJ205 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,354 Car: 2004 STi Class: TSM I can't complain	I would just think for the price of that kit, you might as well do a little more so you could run higher boost __________________ Cobb Stage 2

2005-01-19, 01:20 AM	#15
sp00ln EJ205 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,196	Speaking of 05 mustangs - Has anyone seen those around yet? __________________ Turbo is a decent with modification.

2005-01-19, 02:18 PM	#18
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	I saw like 7 on the way to Thunder Hill and back last saturday. Only seen one in Reno so far- wonder why. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2005-01-21, 09:58 PM	#19
sp00ln EJ205 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,196	How do they look in person? __________________ Turbo is a decent with modification.

2005-01-22, 12:56 AM	#20
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	I love the front end, but the profile is kind of "eh" around the rear fender/C pillar. Looks okay from behind. Much better on first impression than the last redesign (which I also liked styling-wise). __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2005-02-02, 01:35 PM	#21
BOO EJ205 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, Nevada Posts: 2,076 Car: 12+tires Class: Spec. without hard work, nothing grows but weeds	This isnt about turbos but its about Mustangs.. lol besides I was too lazy to start a new thead.. I dont usually like Mustangs but this picture is badass !!! I especially like the choice of Color Attached Images __________________ LOL.. The other White Meat ... lol ------------------------------------------------ subaru(STi) is a boys car, mitsubishi(evo) is a man's car - Jeremy (Top Gear) GC,GD,GM

2005-02-02, 01:38 PM	#22
AtomicLabMonkey Nightwalker Real Name: Austin Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Oshkosh, WI Posts: 4,063 Car: '13 WRX YGBSM	Hmm. Looks like mostly a Saleen knock-off.. the bodywork's a little too cluttered for my taste. __________________ "None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you.. you're locked in here with me."

2005-02-02, 01:40 PM	#24
BOO EJ205 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, Nevada Posts: 2,076 Car: 12+tires Class: Spec. without hard work, nothing grows but weeds	I just think overall its nice and Clean.. Not too many stickers.. lol __________________ LOL.. The other White Meat ... lol ------------------------------------------------ subaru(STi) is a boys car, mitsubishi(evo) is a man's car - Jeremy (Top Gear) GC,GD,GM

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