Galactica

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Has anyone been watching the Battlestar Galactica remake on Sci-Fi? They just played the miniseries/pilot the last couple of nights, and the series premiere is Friday night. I thought it was really well done, I give it an A-. I haven't seen any good gritty, realistic sci-fi in a long time.

[dknv]

I saw what I thought was the series premier on NBC, I think on Sat or Sun. I thought it was well-done. Was there another episode already, or a repeat?

[AtomicLabMonkey]

From what I have gathered they did a two part miniseries as a pilot last year, which they just replayed the last couple of nights on Sci-Fi channel. Then tomorrow night they're going to start the actual weekly series with a two-hour opener.

[sperry]

I saw the made for TV movie deal that they had.

Other than the fact that the new Starbuck is the most annoying bitch I've ever seen on TV, it was pretty decent, considering that it's made for TV.

I probably won't watch the series... chances are the budget will be lower (and therefore the production quality will suffer), and planning my evenings around a Friday night TV show prolly won't work out.

[dknv]

Originally Posted by sperry

I saw the made for TV movie deal that they had.

Other than the fact that the new Starbuck is the most annoying bitch I've ever seen on TV, it was pretty decent, considering that it's made for TV.

I probably won't watch the series... chances are the budget will be lower (and therefore the production quality will suffer), and planning my evenings around a Friday night TV show prolly won't work out.

I didn't watch the original series, is the 'new Starbuck' the pilot?

I agree with Austin, though, it might be one of the more decent sci-fi series on now. I'm sick of reality shows & do-it-yourself shows. And I'll probably just tape it and watch it later.

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by sperry

Other than the fact that the new Starbuck is the most annoying bitch I've ever seen on TV, it was pretty decent, considering that it's made for TV.

Really? I actually liked her character.

I'm not gonna be around most Friday nights either, but I'll tape it to watch later. I just liked the "universe" it's set it, it looks "lived-in", like something that would actually happen. It's not all nice and clean and shiny and perfect like watching Star Trek.

[Nick Koan]

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

I'm not gonna be around most Friday nights either, but I'll tape it to watch later. I just liked the "universe" it's set it, it looks "lived-in", like something that would actually happen. It's not all nice and clean and shiny and perfect like watching Star Trek.

Thats what I really liked about 'Firefly'.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

Really? I actually liked her character.

I'm not gonna be around most Friday nights either, but I'll tape it to watch later. I just liked the "universe" it's set it, it looks "lived-in", like something that would actually happen. It's not all nice and clean and shiny and perfect like watching Star Trek.

I found her interal drama to be way to manufactured and forced. Like the director told the actress: "okay now you're tough as nails, and nothing can touch you!"... then 2 minutes later: "now you're the vulnerable little girl who's daddy didn't love her enough". She's only got two settings: angry bitch, and whiny bitch. Real people are a little more dynamic and gradiented.

I do agree with the "lived in" aspect of the world. Star Trek has been working hard to dirty up the series ever since NextGen... but since I haven't watched any of the shows since NextGen, so I haven't really seen what's become of the world.

IMO, the best movie/TV Sci-Fi universe is still Star Wars. I just re-watched Empire (since I got the DVDs for X-Mas) and the battle on Hoth *still* gives me goosebumps. No matter how jacked up the prequels are, the "real" (ep. 4-5.5) Star Wars Universe is still gritty, real, and just plain awesome. It makes me wish Lucas never had kids so we wouldn't have to suffer the Ewok syndrome that's added goofy BS to everything since the second half of Jedi.

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by sperry

I do agree with the "lived in" aspect of the world. Star Trek has been working hard to dirty up the series ever since NextGen... but since I haven't watched any of the shows since NextGen, so I haven't really seen what's become of the world.

IMO, the best movie/TV Sci-Fi universe is still Star Wars. I just re-watched Empire (since I got the DVDs for X-Mas) and the battle on Hoth *still* gives me goosebumps. No matter how jacked up the prequels are, the "real" (ep. 4-5.5) Star Wars Universe is still gritty, real, and just plain awesome. It makes me wish Lucas never had kids so we wouldn't have to suffer the Ewok syndrome that's added goofy BS to everything since the second half of Jedi.

Star Trek tried with their later shows, but never pulled it off for me. I know what you mean about SW, I just watched Ep. 4& 5 while I was sick. Empire is my favorite one. I have beef with some of the crap added in the special editions though - Greedo firing first is an even stupider idea than Jar-Jar Binks.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

Star Trek tried with their later shows, but never pulled it off for me. I know what you mean about SW, I just watched Ep. 4& 5 while I was sick. Empire is my favorite one. I have beef with some of the crap added in the special editions though - Greedo firing first is an even stupider idea than Jar-Jar Binks.

Jedi's more fubar'd as well. The scene in Jabba's Palace absolutely did not need the addition of computer animated singers doing a made-up language song and dance number. The existing scene was already served well with the music and dancers as they were. We are already led to believe that Jabba's a sucessful mob boss and has a taste for extravagent performers, etc. in his palace. The little CGI number has only one purpose: terrible comic relief. It's basically somthing for 5 year olds to giggle at, and it ruins a terrific scene where Skywalker reveals his new found Jedi status.

Except for the CGI updates to the space combat scenes, the changes to Episodes 4-6 pretty much make me want to vomit.

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by sperry

Except for the CGI updates to the space combat scenes, the changes to Episodes 4-6 pretty much make me want to vomit.

Yup, and yup. I haven't bothered getting the DVDs, and I watched my original widescreen unmolested copies on VHS this last time.

[Nick Koan]

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

Yup, and yup. I haven't bothered getting the DVDs, and I watched my original widescreen unmolested copies on VHS this last time.

Pre-Special Edition?

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by nKoan

Pre-Special Edition?

You got it.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

Yup, and yup. I haven't bothered getting the DVDs, and I watched my original widescreen unmolested copies on VHS this last time.

It's a tough toss-up for me... the DVDs look *awesome* and the sound is much better... Luckily Empire (which is easily the best since it was neither written or directed by Lucas) is the least changed. But you do have to put up w/ the extra BS if you want the quality.

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by sperry

It's a tough toss-up for me... the DVDs look *awesome* and the sound is much better... Luckily Empire (which is easily the best since it was neither written or directed by Lucas) is the least changed. But you do have to put up w/ the extra BS if you want the quality.

I know.. Lucas is a bastard.

[ScottyS]

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

Yup, and yup. I haven't bothered getting the DVDs, and I watched my original widescreen unmolested copies on VHS this last time.

Me too. I have boycotted the first three episodes, and have not seen any of these pandering kiddie shows with the exceptions of the trailers forced upon me.

[Kevin M]

I'm telling you guys, Episode III will be much improved. Tons of Jedi badass fighting, and an army of Wookiees. What else do you need? Oh yeah, more yoda beating down the bad guys too.

[Nick Koan]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

I'm telling you guys, Episode III will be much improved. Tons of Jedi badass fighting, and an army of Wookiees. What else do you need? Oh yeah, more yoda beating down the bad guys too.

Hopefully. But I ain't holding my breath.

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

I'm telling you guys, Episode III will be much improved. Tons of Jedi badass fighting, and an army of Wookiees. What else do you need? Oh yeah, more yoda beating down the bad guys too.

It goddamn well better be, because they have a metric shitload of plot to wrap up between where II stopped and where IV picks up. In my opinion they really wanked around with telling the story in I & II (among other things, obviously) and wasted time on the more uninteresting parts of the backstory, instead of getting into the meaty stuff.

[Kevin M]

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

It goddamn well better be, because they have a metric shitload of plot to wrap up between where II stopped and where IV picks up. In my opinion they really wanked around with telling the story in I & II (among other things, obviously) and wasted time on the more uninteresting parts of the backstory, instead of getting into the meaty stuff.

Yeah that's my complaint. All of Episode I should have been compressed to about 15-20 minutes at the beginning of Episode II (rightfully, Episode I). Then, Episode II should have been the Clone wars, and towards the end the beginnings of Anakin -> Darth Vader. then, Episode III could have been, Darth Vader vs. the universe of Jedis. Remember, every Jedi you see in Episodes I-III with the exception of Yoda and ObiWan Kenobi is killed. By Vader. That's a lot. Plenty to fill 2 hours of screen time. Oh yeah, and the only important plotline of the entire prequel series, the smuggling/hiding of Luke and Leah from Anakin.

[MikeSTI]

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

It goddamn well better be, because they have a metric shitload of plot to wrap up between where II stopped and where IV picks up. In my opinion they really wanked around with telling the story in I & II (among other things, obviously) and wasted time on the more uninteresting parts of the backstory, instead of getting into the meaty stuff.

haha its like the car thing

they could have made it better but knew they could make money as is

it will be funny, is when it came out, they trick you into a two part series 3 and 3.5 to fill in the gaps (knows that wont happen so please, just a joke)

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

Remember, every Jedi you see in Episodes I-III with the exception of Yoda and ObiWan Kenobi is killed. By Vader. That's a lot. Plenty to fill 2 hours of screen time. Oh yeah, and the only important plotline of the entire prequel series, the smuggling/hiding of Luke and Leah from Anakin.

Not to mention the fall of the Republic, formation and expansion of the Empire & its military, massive socio-political upheaval from such a drastic shift in government, formation of the Rebellion... little things like that.

[Kevin M]

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

Not to mention the fall of the Republic, formation and expansion of the Empire & its military, massive socio-political upheaval from such a drastic shift in government, formation of the Rebellion... little things like that.

The first two have been covered, the third one brushed upon, and the last will hopefully happen in Episode III, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Nick Koan]

Lucas is just going to renumber the original star wars as 7-9. Then create another trilogy 4-6 that will cover all these issues.

Then he'll decide that episodes 7-9 are crap and can't be fixed by another "super-ultra special edition", and reshoot them all with Jar-Jar and Ewoks only.

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

The first two have been covered, the third one brushed upon, and the last will hopefully happen in Episode III, but I'm not holding my breath.

Covered?? Bah! Hinted at, at best.

Originally Posted by nKoan

Lucas is just going to renumber the original star wars as 7-9. Then create another trilogy 4-6 that will cover all these issues.

Then he'll decide that episodes 7-9 are crap and can't be fixed by another "super-ultra special edition", and reshoot them all with Jar-Jar and Ewoks only.

This sounds much more accurate.