2009 Nissan GT-R

[dustinr]

Originally Posted by sperry

I guess I'm missing the point where you're showing me how a Ferrari is better than a Camry for getting from point A to B. Even on the Autobahn, you're not using the potential of the Ferrari... the difference between topping out at 140mph vs. 180mph isn't all that much in terms of average speed, i.e. the Ferrari is not going to reduce your overall trip time by much. Additionally, the Camry is probably much safer, even at autobahn speeds. So, with the exception of much nicer aesthetics, what's better about a Ferrari?

And as far as the race track goes... a Ferrari isn't any faster than any other modded car of similar power/weight ratio that can be had

If you look at it the way you do, that cars are only to get you from point A to Point B, then the only "things" that would make one car better than any other would be personal choice.
They will all get you to where you want to go, so in that regard only, there's no car that's better than any other car; unless you start assigning value to what you find important in your personal transportation. Do you value fuel economy? Do you value 0-60, 1/4 mile, cornering ability, stopping ability? Some cars are going to better than others at what you value. So will a Camry stop from 140mph as quickly and as stable as a purpose built sports car? Probably not, so the sports car is better in that regard and many others in my personal value system.
A Camry at 140 mph isn't going to be as stable as a GT-R, so the GT-R is better in regards to high speed stability. And if you've driven those speeds, then you are aware that the difference from 140mph to 180mph is HUGE! Moot point here in the land of 65.

Why do you drive a Subaru? Why don't you drive an SRT-4? Evidently there's something in the Subaru that you assign more value to? Something that you like "better" than a camry?

[100_Percent_Juice]

Originally Posted by sperry

I'm knocking the idea that it's worth the price just from a purely utilitarian standpoint.

how many times a day do you use the word "utilitarian"?

[cody]

Originally Posted by sperry

a(nother) $80,000 car

Zing! /yourself

I think I know which $80K car I'd rather have.

[dustinr]

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

Big, heavy & (relatively) slow. Sounds like a Furd to me.



My bitter cynicism extends to life in general too, not just the auto industry. You should also realize that pretty much anything I say on this board is strictly my own opinion, which is worth just as much as yours. I personally appreciate innovation and optimization in all aspects of vehicle performance. And by innovation I don't mean finding how many heated leather bluetooth-enabled radar-equipped heat-seeking cupholders you can squeeze into a given interior, and then charge eleventy-billion thousand more dollars for the "added value".



My status as a lowly engineering monkey doesn't afford me the opportunity to drive vehicles that carry prancing horse badges on the street. The closest I've come is driving real racecars on closed courses.



Yes. It's the best solid axle design the car has ever been equipped with, but still a solid axle. Ford built a couple of IRS prototypes they were thinking about putting in the current Cobra/Shelby/whateverthefucks, but shitcanned that idea due to their genius executives who micromanage the details of every car that rolls off the factory floor.

I also heard some guy at some aftermarket company designed a sweet scratch-built IRS prototype for the 05+ Mustangs a couple of years ago, but the company decided to drag its feet on the project and it still isn't available for sale.

It's funny, I read your posts and because of your avatar I actually hear Tyler's Durden's voice. It's a good match...

[dustinr]

Originally Posted by sperry

If I could get that much for my car, I probably would. But my WRX is actually faster than a 911 turbo around a race track... so while it's a step forward in "nice", it's a step backwards in "go".

Faster then Duck's Turbo? ...jab jab... just messin!

[sperry]

Originally Posted by dustinr

Faster then Duck's Turbo? ...jab jab... just messin!

I don't know if I'd consider Duck's GT1 class race car (a $80,000 car with probably another $100,000 in work done) quite in the same category as a factory 911 turbo...

That car is insane. I wonder though if I had another 200hp and 1000 less weight if it'd still be faster than me... it should be, simply due to having better suspension geometry and weight distribution, but it'd be a fun race.

[dustinr]

Originally Posted by sperry

I don't know if I'd consider Duck's GT1 class race car (a $80,000 car with probably another $100,000 in work done) quite in the same category as a factory 911 turbo...

That car is insane. I wonder though if I had another 200hp and 1000 less weight if it'd still be faster than me... it should be, simply due to having better suspension geometry and weight distribution, but it'd be a fun race.

If you know the history behind that car you would be amazed...
It started life as a run of the mill 1977-78 (can't remember the exact year) 911. He then changed the body to the 993 look and then started dabbling in changing body parts over to Carbon. It survived the last big flood, barely... and then he added the turbo. That car is nowhere near $180,000. He might be around $50K into that car, and that's pushing it. Doing what he does for a living, he was able to do a lot for a little. Ever seen Matt's car (Owner of Sport Haus), that 911 makes Duck's look slow. Duck is a crazy little dude... way cool.

[cody]

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1384394

[cody]

550 BHP (probably)

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/s...p-at-the-hubs/

[Bob Danger]

You know what's really great about the GTR?

Nissan OF Reno will never see one!

Haha

[100_Percent_Juice]

im over it.

[zpeed]

Originally Posted by dustinr

If you know the history behind that car you would be amazed...
It started life as a run of the mill 1977-78 (can't remember the exact year) 911. He then changed the body to the 993 look and then started dabbling in changing body parts over to Carbon. It survived the last big flood, barely... and then he added the turbo. That car is nowhere near $180,000. He might be around $50K into that car, and that's pushing it. Doing what he does for a living, he was able to do a lot for a little. Ever seen Matt's car (Owner of Sport Haus), that 911 makes Duck's look slow. Duck is a crazy little dude... way cool.

I sit in that car once long time ago while he did VC hill climb. I think John is the owner and Matt just mechanic???

[JC]

0-60: 3.3s
1/4 mile: 11.6s @ 120.9mph

...and that's by EDMUNDS. It's no track prepped Miata and Camry though.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..1.*

[knucklesplitter]

Cobb has a GT-R in their possesion as we speak!
http://blogs.cobbtuning.com/?p=205



This "Do not rice out your GT-R" illustration from the JDM manual is priceless:

[knucklesplitter]

Oh Noez, Tlain Conductoll-san! Preaze not hit my GT-aRl!

[cody]

Push that shiz out of the way Dood!!!

[sperry]

Originally Posted by cody

Push that shiz out of the way Dood!!!

I like how the train has the 3 lines over it indicating "OH SNAPS! GT-R is in teh my way!?! OMGZZ!!"

[JonnydaJibba]

Originally Posted by sperry

I like how the train has the 3 lines over it indicating "OH SNAPS! GT-R is in teh my way!?! OMGZZ!!"

[tysonK]

Is he holding a flare gun?

"I don't really like to talk about my flare guns."

[knucklesplitter]

Originally Posted by cody

Push that shiz out of the way Dood!!!

3 brown-haired guys with kewl sideburns are required for that. Press the "N" button first.

[knucklesplitter]

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[knucklesplitter]

400+ AWHP on a Mustang Dyno right out of the box without even breaking it in.
http://blogs.cobbtuning.com/?p=212

[doubleurx]

Originally Posted by zpeed

I sit in that car once long time ago while he did VC hill climb. I think John is the owner and Matt just mechanic???

Yes, John McClure is the owner of Sport Haus. Matt has been the lead mechanic there for as long as I have had my P-car: 8 years. By now he may be a part owner though?

Matt did all the suspension work on my car.

[Dean]

AOTS had a segment tonight on the GT-R at RFR! Should be on-line later.

[Nick Koan]

Originally Posted by knucklesplitter

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I think MattR and Sybir might have something to say about that.