Auto-X Class Help - Page 4 - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

AtomicLabMonkey · 2006-03-20, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cody

What about a big bag of ice on the ic?

Sprayers work fine, probably better than resting a bag of ice on the IC. They work for hot radiators too. The water you spray on boils away, which pulls quite a bit of heat energy out of the exchanger.

cody · 2006-03-20, 11:18 AM

God, I love free mods. Water bottle FTW!

Kevin M · 2006-03-20, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cody

I'm not worried about my time as much as I just want a happy car.

Your car will be fine.

If your car didn't have such an amazing ecu and you were tuned for perfect peak power, then you might have something to worry about. But your car is equipped to handle poor conditions without destroying itself. Yay for Subaru.

cody · 2006-03-20, 01:01 PM

Word. Suby ECU's are amazing.

A1337STI · 2006-03-20, 02:30 PM

Wow so if you over spray your IC and water makes it onto the track someone can protest. so any amount of water if 1 drop makes it down there ?

eeks. hopefully won't happen to me but i love spraying down my IC . (dunno why just makes me happy)
would an IC spray modulator bump you up a class , if you car comes stock with an ic sprayer?

Dean · 2006-03-20, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1337STI

Wow so if you over spray your IC and water makes it onto the track someone can protest. so any amount of water if 1 drop makes it down there ?

eeks. hopefully won't happen to me but i love spraying down my IC . (dunno why just makes me happy)
would an IC spray modulator bump you up a class , if you car comes stock with an ic sprayer?

Theoretically, yes. And yes, but not necessarily one class, straight to prepared, or Street Modified. Not allowed in S, SP or ST. The basic rule is hat unless it is specifically allowed in the rules, you can't do it.

A1337STI · 2006-03-20, 03:46 PM

found this link off the Reno scca website, is this the correct set of rules for Auto X ?

http://scca.org/_filelibrary/File/2006_solo_rules.pdf

thanks

Dean · 2006-03-20, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1337STI

found this link off the Reno scca website, is this the correct set of rules for Auto X ?

http://scca.org/_filelibrary/File/2006_solo_rules.pdf

thanks

Yes

NevadaSTi · 2006-03-20, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeK

If you really are staying totally stock you are better off in A-stock (TAS). An STi can do very well in A-stock, just look at last year's Hawthorne results.

I thought the rules stated STi's and Evo's are in BSP?

How can I run TAS?

Kevin M · 2006-03-21, 07:58 AM

STis and Evos are only in BSP to run under Street Prepared rules. In Stock they are classed as AS.

zpeed · 2006-03-21, 09:19 AM

I use to run a small tube from rear window washer to the I/C on my Talon. It did help cool it down on a hot day.

NevadaSTi · 2006-03-23, 09:54 AM

If I run AS, I would be running against all those damn vettes. Will the T give me an advantage so that I am competitive with them, or should I just run TBSP?

Kevin M · 2006-03-23, 10:41 AM

Yes, Vettes in AS- but also in BSP. C4 Vettes anyway. Also, any modded Evos or STis in BSP will smoke you (car vs. car anyway; you could still outdrive their mod adantage potentially). In AS you can be regionally competitive with nothing done at all.

Street tires help you stay competitive without having to buy Hoosiers or V710s. Doesn't affect the competitive balance between make/model. Your best chance, by far, is to run TAS. You'll still get clobbered by Pat and Mike Mulhall, but you'll have your best PAX results in that class.

Dean · 2006-03-23, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NevadaSTi

If I run AS, I would be running against all those damn vettes. Will the T give me an advantage so that I am competitive with them, or should I just run TBSP?

If you run TBSP you will be running against all those Vettes also... Larry Capen specifically, and he beats the ASP Vettes with his BSP automatic...

MikeK · 2006-03-23, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

You'll still get clobbered by Pat and Mike Mulhall, but you'll have your best PAX results in that class.

I thought Pat was running in F125 this year. And Mike Mulhall isn't running at all, he is overseas for a few months.

Kevin M · 2006-03-23, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeK

I thought Pat was running in F125 this year. And Mike Mulhall isn't running at all, he is overseas for a few months.

I thogut Pat was RNPing in the kart, and I didn't know about Mike.

dknv · 2006-03-23, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeK

I thought Pat was running in F125 this year. And Mike Mulhall isn't running at all, he is overseas for a few months.

Did Mike already leave? What is he doing with the Boxster?

MikeK · 2006-03-23, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dknv

Did Mike already leave? What is he doing with the Boxster?

Last I heard he was trying to sell it. I have no idea if he got rid of it though.

Pat R. · 2006-03-24, 05:56 AM

I will be running the S2k in AS until I get a bit more adept w/ the kart. Plus I have 3 1/2 sets of race tires to use up.

cody · 2006-03-24, 09:34 PM

Can I autoX with this damage? I'm wating for the autobody shop to get parts, so it won't be fixed before the Apr. 1st autox class.

The damage is only cosmetic, but I have a feeling this will keep me from running.

Kevin M · 2006-03-24, 10:07 PM

In the GCR, section 11.2 says that cars must have "appearance suitable for competition" and "appearance neat and clean. Specifically, "cars that...show bodywork damage...shall not be approved for competition." HOWEVER, I think I can let it slide since there is nothing under the solo rules that specifically mentions damage to the exterior, or that references the GCR inspection requirements. Plus, you're running novice, so you aren't protestable anyway. If we didn't want you and/or your car specifically to run, someone could probably use it as an excuse to bar you from entering, but I highly doubt anybody is going to take issue with it given that one of our region's primary goals is promoting our events to new members and increasing participation. However, it will probably have to be repaired before you can run at Club Trials. The Time Trial rules are basically the same as the GCR as far as tech inspection goes.

Kevin M · 2006-03-24, 10:46 PM

So, Dean... wanna run ESP?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solo Rules, section 15 Street Prepared category (intro, p.79)

Cars listed as eligible in and prepared to the current national Street Touring (ST) class rules are permitted to compete in their respective Street Prepared classes, with the additional allowance that they may use any tire which meets the requirements of 15.3 and fits on the ST-legal wheels and within the ST-legal bodywork.

cody · 2006-03-25, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

In the GCR, section 11.2 says that cars must have "appearance suitable for competition" and "appearance neat and clean. Specifically, "cars that...show bodywork damage...shall not be approved for competition." HOWEVER, I think I can let it slide since there is nothing under the solo rules that specifically mentions damage to the exterior, or that references the GCR inspection requirements. Plus, you're running novice, so you aren't protestable anyway. If we didn't want you and/or your car specifically to run, someone could probably use it as an excuse to bar you from entering, but I highly doubt anybody is going to take issue with it given that one of our region's primary goals is promoting our events to new members and increasing participation. However, it will probably have to be repaired before you can run at Club Trials. The Time Trial rules are basically the same as the GCR as far as tech inspection goes.

That's great news. Thanks Kevin.

Dean · 2006-03-26, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

So, Dean... wanna run ESP?

Dang, I don't think I've read the intro in years... Very interesting... Technically, I could run TESP as well which is just plain humorous.

M3n2c3 · 2006-03-26, 09:46 AM

Noob question that I couldn't find an answer to in the rulebook. . .

What does the "T" tacked on at the beginning of the class mean (TESP, TSM, etc.)?

2006-03-20, 02:30 PM	#80
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	Wow so if you over spray your IC and water makes it onto the track someone can protest. so any amount of water if 1 drop makes it down there ? eeks. hopefully won't happen to me but i love spraying down my IC . (dunno why just makes me happy) would an IC spray modulator bump you up a class , if you car comes stock with an ic sprayer? __________________ Fighting uphill battles, one bullet at a time!

2006-03-20, 03:46 PM	#82
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	found this link off the Reno scca website, is this the correct set of rules for Auto X ? http://scca.org/_filelibrary/File/2006_solo_rules.pdf thanks __________________ Fighting uphill battles, one bullet at a time!

2006-03-21, 07:58 AM	#85
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	STis and Evos are only in BSP to run under Street Prepared rules. In Stock they are classed as AS. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2006-03-23, 09:54 AM	#87
NevadaSTi EJ251 Real Name: Brian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minden, Nv. Posts: 989 Car: 1994 Toyota 4Runner Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once	If I run AS, I would be running against all those damn vettes. Will the T give me an advantage so that I am competitive with them, or should I just run TBSP? __________________ The last living thing on earth will be me. I'll step on the last cockroach.

2006-03-23, 10:41 AM	#88
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	Yes, Vettes in AS- but also in BSP. C4 Vettes anyway. Also, any modded Evos or STis in BSP will smoke you (car vs. car anyway; you could still outdrive their mod adantage potentially). In AS you can be regionally competitive with nothing done at all. Street tires help you stay competitive without having to buy Hoosiers or V710s. Doesn't affect the competitive balance between make/model. Your best chance, by far, is to run TAS. You'll still get clobbered by Pat and Mike Mulhall, but you'll have your best PAX results in that class. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2006-03-20, 11:18 AM	#77
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	God, I love free mods. Water bottle FTW!

2006-03-20, 01:01 PM	#79
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Word. Suby ECU's are amazing.

2006-03-21, 09:19 AM	#86
zpeed EJ251 Real Name: Nat S Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Reno, NV USA Posts: 743 Car: 06 S2000 Class: RNP & PDX	I use to run a small tube from rear window washer to the I/C on my Talon. It did help cool it down on a hot day.

2006-03-24, 05:56 AM	#94
Pat R. EJ251 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Southeast Hades Posts: 593 Car: Red Class: Stockish ¿Quién es tu padre?	I will be running the S2k in AS until I get a bit more adept w/ the kart. Plus I have 3 1/2 sets of race tires to use up.

2006-03-24, 09:34 PM	#95
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Can I autoX with this damage? I'm wating for the autobody shop to get parts, so it won't be fixed before the Apr. 1st autox class. The damage is only cosmetic, but I have a feeling this will keep me from running. Attached Thumbnails

2006-03-24, 10:07 PM	#96
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	In the GCR, section 11.2 says that cars must have "appearance suitable for competition" and "appearance neat and clean. Specifically, "cars that...show bodywork damage...shall not be approved for competition." HOWEVER, I think I can let it slide since there is nothing under the solo rules that specifically mentions damage to the exterior, or that references the GCR inspection requirements. Plus, you're running novice, so you aren't protestable anyway. If we didn't want you and/or your car specifically to run, someone could probably use it as an excuse to bar you from entering, but I highly doubt anybody is going to take issue with it given that one of our region's primary goals is promoting our events to new members and increasing participation. However, it will probably have to be repaired before you can run at Club Trials. The Time Trial rules are basically the same as the GCR as far as tech inspection goes. __________________ FWD is the new AWD Last edited by Kevin M; 2006-03-24 at 10:12 PM.

2006-03-26, 09:46 AM	#100
M3n2c3 EJ205 Real Name: Jeremiah Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,888 Car: Current: 2014 Forester 2.5i Premium. Old: 2005 Impreza 2.5RS, 2000 Forester L Class: RNP, long ago (see motto) "Kids are ruining autocross."	Noob question that I couldn't find an answer to in the rulebook. . . What does the "T" tacked on at the beginning of the class mean (TESP, TSM, etc.)? __________________ Small red text that looks curious at first glance but is ultimately inconsequential

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