Oil Change - Page 2 - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

wrxkidid · 2007-09-18, 09:57 PM

after reading all of that im ditching mobil 1 for RP. great now im all wigged out and probably going to change my oil this week

100_Percent_Juice · 2007-09-19, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by wrxkidid

after reading all of that im ditching mobil 1 for RP. great now im all wigged out and probably going to change my oil this week

So do you still have to change your oil as frequently with Royal Purple? Because there is a small price difference..

I guess if you buy the 5 gallon drum from Royal Purple it works out to being about $12 more per oil change compared to Mobil 1.

100_Percent_Juice · 2007-09-19, 07:19 AM

This brings me to another question. What oil filters does everyone use? I imagine if those of you who are using royal purple then you have stepped up your filter as well?

Nick Koan · 2007-09-19, 08:01 AM

Actually, the stock Subaru filters (made by Purlator) are pretty good. I still use them.

Dean · 2007-09-19, 09:40 AM

Current definitive Subaru oil filter info at least in terms of internal construction.

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16252

Basically, OEM is the winner.

cody · 2007-09-19, 10:09 AM

The limiting factor in changing your oil is the filter. Most synthetic oils protect well into the 10K mile range and beyond but your filter may clog before then. I haven't been able to find the bigger OEM WRX filters (made by Purolater as Nick pointed out). They made it smaller so it wouldn't absorb as much radiant heat from the header but mine are heat wrapped...

A larger filter should be able to last longer without clogging so I think I'll be switching to the Mobil-1 M-110 or M-108 in the future. The M-110 is twice as tall though and I wouldn't want to risk scraping it on something. That would suck. Amsoil supposedly makes a good oil filter too.

sperry · 2007-09-19, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 100_Percent_Juice

This brings me to another question. What oil filters does everyone use? I imagine if those of you who are using royal purple then you have stepped up your filter as well?

+1 on the OEM Purolators.

Though, I'm using the K&N ones because I use a larger Ford fitment filter on a remote setup.

Kevin M · 2007-09-19, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cody

The limiting factor in changing your oil is the filter. Most synthetic oils protect well into the 10K mile range and beyond but your filter may clog before then. I haven't been able to find the bigger OEM WRX filters (made by Purolater as Nick pointed out). They made it smaller so it wouldn't absorb as much radiant heat from the header but mine are heat wrapped...

A larger filter should be able to last longer without clogging so I think I'll be switching to the Mobil-1 M-110 or M-108 in the future. The M-110 is twice as tall though and I wouldn't want to risk scraping it on something. That would suck. Amsoil supposedly makes a good oil filter too.

If your engine's cold, you can just change the filter with a loss of less than half a quart. I will be doing 4k on filters and 8k on oil once I actually have a damn running car again.

Kevin M · 2007-09-19, 10:21 AM

Oh and another +1 for OEM filters.

ScottyS · 2007-09-19, 10:32 AM

Do you guys just buy the OEM filters in bulk then?

Nick Koan · 2007-09-19, 10:34 AM

Yeah, I've got about 5-6 sitting on my shelf at the moment.

100_Percent_Juice · 2007-09-19, 11:47 AM

ok cool. I have always just picked up the fram filters at walmart for my other cars. Is something wrong with that filter?

Nick Koan · 2007-09-19, 11:54 AM

I think the Fram ones are okay. But, I believe they are more expensive, no? The OEM ones are only $6 or $8, and the Fram ones were closer to $10.

sperry · 2007-09-19, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by nKoan

I think the Fram ones are okay. But, I believe they are more expensive, no? The OEM ones are only $6 or $8, and the Fram ones were closer to $10.

Actually, the Fram filters are very cheap, and very crappy. Unless you're buying the more expensive Fram filters (the $8+ DoubleGuard, etc) ones, you're really not protecting the motor well.

Really, the OEM filters are the best setup.

Nick Koan · 2007-09-19, 12:08 PM

Oh yeah, I was only thinking about the nicer fram filters. I forgot all about the crappy cheap-ass ones they make for like $4 or whatever.

I haven't shopped for filters in probably 3 years. Now, I just go down to Subaru, but 4-5 OEM filters and let them sit on my shelf.

cody · 2007-09-19, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

If your engine's cold, you can just change the filter with a loss of less than half a quart. I will be doing 4k on filters and 8k on oil once I actually have a damn running car again.

So I've been told, but it sounds messy and even too cheap for me.

Dean · 2007-09-19, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

+1 on the OEM Purolators.

OEM is not Purolator. It is Tokyo Roki Co. Ltd.

If you didn't find it my last link, this is the spreadsheet that has all sorts of good stuff about the different filters.

http://www.bescaredracing.com/sti/oi...il_filters.xls

There are some good cheap ones, but the OEM is damn good.

Oh, and if you are sick of those stupid aluminum crush washers, get a reusable plastic/nylon or copper one at any auto parts store.

Nick Koan · 2007-09-19, 08:28 PM

Hmm, yeah I guess you are right. I hadn't taken a close look at the 2.5L turbo filters, which are indeed Tokyo Roki.

Subaru does use Purolator as an OEM supplier, though, for their non-turbo filters (and I could swear the early versions of the 2.0l OEM oil filter was also Purolator).

Either way, its almost a moot point because in both scenarios, the OEM beats out most standard replacement filters.

Kevin M · 2007-09-19, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean

Oh, and if you are sick of those stupid aluminum crush washers, get a reusable plastic/nylon or copper one at any auto parts store.

Better yet, get a Fumoto valve.

Nick Koan · 2007-09-19, 08:56 PM

So I guess I'll be trying out some Royal Purple tonight.

I've been meaning to try it, but laziness and walbogs have kept me with the more available Mobile 1. Anyway, the walbogs near my house ended up having some Royal Purple. 5qts left, to be exact. And now, no qts left.

Dean · 2007-09-19, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

Better yet, get a Fumoto valve.

Yeah, a $25 valve that may leave more sludge and deposits in the bottom of the pan sounds like a great alternative to a $0.25 washer and is sure to get the approval of Señor Cheap Bastard.

cody · 2007-09-19, 09:44 PM

Tell you what, the next time I drain my oil with the Fumoto, after the oil stops dripping, I'll pull the valve out and see how much additional sludge drips out.

Dean · 2007-09-19, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cody

Tell you what, the next time I drain my oil with the Fumoto, after the oil stops dripping, I'll pull the valve out and see how much additional sludge drips out.

Cool. It all depends on if the threads on the valve are deeper than the threads on the pan. I like the idea, but can imagine all sorts of bad things that might happen with it as well as the price.

Use a measuring cup or something to see how much. A cut open quart bottle works as well if it has that clear bit at the seam.

cody · 2007-09-19, 10:15 PM

I'll buy you one if it's more than a tablespoon...

I've also seen them "modded" by cutting a v at the bottom side of the threads.

Dean · 2007-09-19, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cody

I'll buy you one if it's more than a tablespoon...

I've also seen them "modded" by cutting a v at the bottom side of the threads.

Deal. And if it is less than a tablespoon, I'll buy you a $0.25 washer.

And something greasy at a meet.

I'm really curious.

2007-09-18, 09:57 PM	#26
wrxkidid EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Incline Village, NV Posts: 1,232 Car: 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd. 5.7l Class: None :/ Cory, just put a 4g63 in it.	after reading all of that im ditching mobil 1 for RP. great now im all wigged out and probably going to change my oil this week __________________ Mosey down the road. Last edited by wrxkidid; 2007-09-18 at 10:01 PM.

2007-09-19, 07:19 AM	#28
100_Percent_Juice (40 percent vodka) Real Name: Joel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,446 Car: 2004WRX Class: Baby-Hauler/GroceryGetter	This brings me to another question. What oil filters does everyone use? I imagine if those of you who are using royal purple then you have stepped up your filter as well? __________________ "A power nap is when you sleep on someone who is weaker than you." - Dimitri Martin

2007-09-19, 08:01 AM	#29
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Actually, the stock Subaru filters (made by Purlator) are pretty good. I still use them. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2007-09-19, 09:40 AM	#30
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	Current definitive Subaru oil filter info at least in terms of internal construction. http://www.iwsti.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16252 Basically, OEM is the winner. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2007-09-19, 10:09 AM	#31
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	The limiting factor in changing your oil is the filter. Most synthetic oils protect well into the 10K mile range and beyond but your filter may clog before then. I haven't been able to find the bigger OEM WRX filters (made by Purolater as Nick pointed out). They made it smaller so it wouldn't absorb as much radiant heat from the header but mine are heat wrapped... A larger filter should be able to last longer without clogging so I think I'll be switching to the Mobil-1 M-110 or M-108 in the future. The M-110 is twice as tall though and I wouldn't want to risk scraping it on something. That would suck. Amsoil supposedly makes a good oil filter too. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2007-09-19, 10:21 AM	#34
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	Oh and another +1 for OEM filters. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2007-09-19, 10:32 AM	#35
ScottyS EJ205 Real Name: It is real! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: RNO Posts: 2,367 Car: 1998 Impreza Wagon, 1991 Legacy Turbo Sedan, 2003 Nissan Xterra Class: tvFree Yes, I'll fix it for you. Again.	Do you guys just buy the OEM filters in bulk then? __________________ "Trend Number One is that people aren't getting any smarter." Dogbert

2007-09-19, 10:34 AM	#36
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Yeah, I've got about 5-6 sitting on my shelf at the moment. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2007-09-19, 11:47 AM	#37
100_Percent_Juice (40 percent vodka) Real Name: Joel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,446 Car: 2004WRX Class: Baby-Hauler/GroceryGetter	ok cool. I have always just picked up the fram filters at walmart for my other cars. Is something wrong with that filter? __________________ "A power nap is when you sleep on someone who is weaker than you." - Dimitri Martin

2007-09-19, 11:54 AM	#38
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	I think the Fram ones are okay. But, I believe they are more expensive, no? The OEM ones are only $6 or $8, and the Fram ones were closer to $10. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2007-09-19, 12:08 PM	#40
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Oh yeah, I was only thinking about the nicer fram filters. I forgot all about the crappy cheap-ass ones they make for like $4 or whatever. I haven't shopped for filters in probably 3 years. Now, I just go down to Subaru, but 4-5 OEM filters and let them sit on my shelf. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2007-09-19, 08:28 PM	#43
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Hmm, yeah I guess you are right. I hadn't taken a close look at the 2.5L turbo filters, which are indeed Tokyo Roki. Subaru does use Purolator as an OEM supplier, though, for their non-turbo filters (and I could swear the early versions of the 2.0l OEM oil filter was also Purolator). Either way, its almost a moot point because in both scenarios, the OEM beats out most standard replacement filters. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2007-09-19, 08:56 PM	#45
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	So I guess I'll be trying out some Royal Purple tonight. I've been meaning to try it, but laziness and walbogs have kept me with the more available Mobile 1. Anyway, the walbogs near my house ended up having some Royal Purple. 5qts left, to be exact. And now, no qts left. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2007-09-19, 09:44 PM	#47
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Tell you what, the next time I drain my oil with the Fumoto, after the oil stops dripping, I'll pull the valve out and see how much additional sludge drips out. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2007-09-19, 10:15 PM	#49
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	I'll buy you one if it's more than a tablespoon... I've also seen them "modded" by cutting a v at the bottom side of the threads. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

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