WTF, who the hell is this guy!??!?!?111?!?!!

[Kostamojen]

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=579163

:shock: :?

[MattR]

Hmmm.. What a piece of shit. I hate the internet.

[JC]

a l33t 2NR obviously

[sperry]

It's cool.... I run 10.5's at 140. At least as far as anyone on NASIOC knows. Plust I don't suck at das interwebnet, therefore I'm >> that asstard.

[tysonK]

it takes a village.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by tysonK

it takes a village.

I'm gonna kick you in the nutz.. then I'm bitch slapping Hillary.

[MattR]

Can someone explain...I don't get it.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by MattR

Can someone explain...I don't get it.

Basically, Hillary thinks that if we all love one another and work at a local level we can solve all the world's problems.

Nevermind that we live in a global economy, most of our immediate neighbors are worthless jackasses, and that it's in our nature to attempt to dominate and destroy all around us. Just look at the CC&R's for most home-owners-associations... is that how you want the world to be run.

Plus, Hillary just rubs me the wrong way.... I was cool w/ Clinton, but I see why he needed BJs from interns.

[MattR]

Okay, I wish I hadn;t asked... But thanks

[Kostamojen]

I use to drag Buick Grand Nationals.
And?

This guy is hilarious... I thought you would enjoy it. I dont think he will be coming back.

[dknv]

We can't tell whether the guy read any of the forum's rules, or got a sense of nasioc etiquette before he posted -- but I can see how the words got misinterpreted and things went downhill from there.

I liked Big Turkey's "I used to spray nitrous on Ford Explorers."

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by dknv

I liked Big Turkey's "I used to spray nitrous on Ford Explorers."

Wow, you know the guy is big time then...

[ArthurS]

This guy has NX on his Explorer....

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/302607

[MikeSTI]

Originally Posted by tysonK

it takes a village.

This is actully just taken from the Bible in stating "It takes a village to raise a child" - which in the end would create a stonger worth to each who take part for helping each other is what it is all about. Most people however place a higher importance on money and assets that has deterd them from true joy in life just to find out thier wifes not happy, kids hate them, and a heart attack a 50 lol

[sperry]

Originally Posted by MikeSTI

This is actully just taken from the Bible in stating "It takes a village to raise a child" - which in the end would create a stonger worth to each who take part for helping each other is what it is all about. Most people however place a higher importance on money and assets that has deterd them from true joy in life just to find out thier wifes not happy, kids hate them, and a heart attack a 50 lol

Sounds nice, but like you said, it's contrary to human nature. Except in times of crisis, people are naturally competative. It's what makes us strong. Being challenged and fighting for success makes you more prepared to handle difficult situations. The side effect is that people tend to dominate and one-up one another.

The only situations where the "village" concept works is in dire situations. The Great Depression is a good example. When everyone is poor you have to bind together to overcome. Soldiers in combat are able to put aside their competitve nature because they have to rely on each other to survive. Outside of extreme situations, mans natural greed keeps the "village" from working. The hippies tried it in the 60's with their communal type housing, and you know where those hippies are now? Driving around in Porsche Cayenne's on their cell phones with their plastic surgeons.

And if you really want to get down to it, the idea of the "village" was first described by Plato in The Republic where he explored the idea that all children born to citizens would not be the children of their parents, but children of the community, where everyone is responsible for the child's education and upbringing.

It didn't work then, and it doesn't work now. Kids need parents, the same people day after day, directly involved in their lives, or they grow up messed up. You can't just pass them around the community. And in a broader sense our government works the same way. We can't all be responsible for everything because accountability gets diluted. As "barbaric" as it may sound, someone needs to be in charge, and capable of making unilatteral decisions. If they're wrong, they get fired, if they're right they get praised. But at least they get something done.

[MikeSTI]

what I meant by "village" is that there where more people in you life then just your parents to raise you and if not now I know why you are the way you are

[sperry]

Originally Posted by MikeSTI

what I meant by "village" is that there where more people in you life then just your parents to raise you and if not now I know why you are the way you are

Huh? Both my parents raised me in a pretty decent environement. They never abused me, they never argued in front of me, and they always took responsibility for my education and needs. When two parents do that, why in the world do you need a "village" of other people?

The whole "village" concept is one of irresponsibility for the people that *should* be raising their kids, the parents! It's like moms and dads that get pissed off about their kids learning about sex, or religion, or evolution in school. If you don't like what your kids are learning, then take responsibility to teach them right! The whole village thing is even worse, since it promotes irresponsible parents.... "well it's not my fault my son is a murderer and my daughter is a hooker... I didn't teach them!"... no f'ing shit.

Having extended family, and friends around that care about your kids is nice and all, but it's certainly not their responsibility to provide a nuturing environment for your kids. That's what parents are for.

[Kevin M]

Hillary bent a bible concept for her own purposes. Honor thy father and mother, but love thy neighbor. Big difference there.

[dknv]

Originally Posted by sperry

The whole "village" concept is one of irresponsibility for the people that *should* be raising their kids, the parents!

Sometimes children only HAVE 1 parent. Sometimes, children have personalities such that they cannot tune it to what their parents say, but yet a favorite uncle or grandfather or cousin is able to reach them. A myriad of possibilities exist that defeats the black & white opinion stated here.

When I think of the term village, I think of it being used interchangebly to also mean, 'extended family'. I don't think Mike was pointing out that a 'village' has to take responsibility to take care of the children - but rather, that everyone has an opportunity to experience SPIRITUAL growth as a result of it working right.

-- ok, I'm editing out my rude comment -- :wink:

[sperry]

Originally Posted by dknv

Sometimes children only HAVE 1 parent. Sometimes, children have personalities such that they cannot tune it to what their parents say, but yet a favorite uncle or grandfather or cousin is able to reach them. A myriad of possibilities exist that defeats the black & white opinion stated here.

When I think of the term village, I think of it being used interchangebly to also mean, 'extended family'. I don't think Mike was pointing out that a 'village' has to take responsibility to take care of the children - but rather, that everyone has an opportunity to experience SPIRITUAL growth as a result of it working right.

Chill pill time?

Perhaps I should clarify... when I'm talking about parents... I don't necessarily mean "biological parents"... I'm talking about someone that can be a constant/stable influence for the child. Of course it could be a member of their extended family, or foster parents, etc. But you can't pass a kid around between 30 different people, some of which are strangers and expect them to develop into a stable adult.

My ranting is more directed to Hillary's book and the concepts contained therein, not at Mike's statements. She goes on to push the "village" concept as a form of government, which IMO takes all the worst aspects of big-liberal-government and makes them 10 fold while eliminating the usefulness that liberal-endorsed social programs normaly provide. Plus, that woman rubs me the wrong way.

[dknv]

Originally Posted by sperry

My ranting is more directed to Hillary's book and the concepts contained therein, not at Mike's statements. She goes on to push the "village" concept as a form of government, which IMO takes all the worst aspects of big-liberal-government and makes them 10 fold while eliminating the usefulness that liberal-endorsed social programs normaly provide. Plus, that woman rubs me the wrong way.

I'm with you there!

[LetItRev]

If she rubbed me I'd have her thrown in jail for assult!

[Theo]

I live in a small town, perhaps you could call it a village. We all help to raise the less fortunate children in town. We have a town hall with a local who watches the kids while their crack head parents are out. Our town lives it. It works. What else can you do when the parents don't take care of the kids? If you don't get involved the kids turn out like their parents.

It's sad but the state doesn't seem to care about these kids.

I think many small towns are like this. Everyone knows everyone and all the problems are everyones. In the big city you ignore your neibors and scream at their kids. In my town every one pitches in to help.

It is a good thing

Theo

[sperry]

Originally Posted by Theo

I live in a small town, perhaps you could call it a village. We all help to raise the less fortunate children in town. We have a town hall with a local who watches the kids while their crack head parents are out. Our town lives it. It works. What else can you do when the parents don't take care of the kids? If you don't get involved the kids turn out like their parents.

It's sad but the state doesn't seem to care about these kids.

I think many small towns are like this. Everyone knows everyone and all the problems are everyones. In the big city you ignore your neibors and scream at their kids. In my town every one pitches in to help.

It is a good thing

Theo

Would you say those kids are better off being raised by your town hall than by loving, caring parents that provide for them?

Just about *anything* is better than letting crackhead parents abuse their children, but parenting by committee isn't the best thing out there.

While I think these articles are a bit uber-conservative: here ya go, food for thought

A little bit of a better article

[tysonK]

originally my "it takes a village" statement was to generalize forum exposure.

you guys are wicked.

I got to stop making off hand comments like that, or possibly make more of them? :wink: