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BFG G-force Sport |
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0 | 0% |
Falken Azenis ST115 |
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2 | 25.00% |
Kumho Ecsta SPT |
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5 | 62.50% |
Quit being a pussy and get some Hankooks |
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1 | 12.50% |
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EJ205
Real Name: Khail Join Date: Dec 2002
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Summer only use, still undecided between 225/45/17 and 235/40/17. Rims are 17x7.5 Enkei RP02s. Last tires were the Azenis ST115 in 225/45, and I really don't have any complaints about them. Looking mostly at BFG G-force sport, Kumho SPT, or another set of ST115s. I'd like decent dry and wet traction, and low noise would be nice. Not too worried about autocross type traction, or I'd get some Hankooks and call it a day. Let me know if you guys have heard anything about the BFGs or SPTs, I can get either one cheaper than the Falkens from Tirerack.
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I'm a big fan of the ST-115's. They're *very* quiet, and have great wet traction. But they don't last quite as long as I wish they would considering that they're not an all out handling tire. But that said, they remain my road-only summer tire of choice.
And since the ST-115's run a little narrow, you can easily go with the 235/40/17's. They fit like 225 RT-215's, and you'll get a bit of acceleration due to the gearing advantage, though your speedo will read a bit high. You might even be able to go wider than 235... I've got 255/40/17 ST-115's on my SVX, but it's got more room than an Impreza and 8" wide wheels... I think a 7.5" width rims is too narrow for 255's... maybe see if some 245's would fit?
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I got those BFG's on my 17's right now. The severe camber hasn't caused too much excessive wear, which I'm pretty impressed with. Decent wet traction, dry is sacrificed a tad, but still not bad. They're not as sticky on dry as my Yoko ES100's, but I can't really complain much. It's a decent balance wet/dry, as the Yoko's are shit in the rain, IMO.
The BFG's have started to make a bit of noise tho, but they prob. wouldn't be as bad if you don't run any negative toe for handling purposes. I used to have a set of Kumho Ecsta mx (i think that's what they were) and they were bald in NO TIME! Cheap, but I would have liked a few more miles out of them. Kinda ruined my taste for Kumho altogether.
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I'd try the SPTs. With your discount, they appear to be an amazing tires for the price. They beat the ES100, and g-Force pretty much accross the board.
For a daily driver, I'm not sure I'd change sizes unless they were the same diameter. I hate wonky speedos.
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As far as going to 235/40/17, it only changes the speedo 1.1 mph at 60mph, not enough for me to worry about. As slow as my car is though, the added acceleration would be nice. And it's only $5-$10 more per tire, seems like cheap horsepower to me. |
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I'm a huge fan of the ST-115's also, but I want someone to try the SPT's to see what they are like...So you're the guinea pig...
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Seems that way...
I wonder why human nature makes us want to try something new when we are perfectly happy with what we have. The ST115s are the best tire I have run so far, but for some reason I have a hard time buying another set without trying something different first. |
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Yeah try the Kumhos so we can get a seccs review of them.
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Well, 2 votes each for the SPT and ST115, and one person thinks I'm a pussy. I'm kind of leaning towards the Kumhos myself, mainly cause I can get 235/40 for less than 225/45 ST115s. I don't need them until the weather cooperates, so we'll see I guess.
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It takes 3 reviews to get to the G-Sport to SPT comparison I based my statement on. It uses 712, and the ES100 as middle men since they have similar performance. You can just use the first and last if you are willing to compare to the 205 series Goodyear Eagle RS-A High Performance All-Season. It is to far out of whack for me... I'd rather go the extra test...
G-Sport < 712 712 <= ES100 ES100 <= SPT I think you are up to 3 SPT votes, and at that price... Screw shipping the Falkens...
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edit: I was thinking of the ASX all season tire.
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The Toyo Proxes 4's I run as winter tires on the stock rims in 225 width actually seem to have equal dry handeling to that of the the Yoko's. I'm actually thinking of just selling the Rota's with the Yoko's and running my winter setup year round now. Does 1 cm of tire width really make that much of a difference? Sorry for the hijack Khail.
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Without intending to be insulting, most people don't actually push their tires, and equate performance more with ride quality than actual performance. They perceive traction and crisp steering response as bad characteristics with terms like hunting, twitchy, darty, etc.
I bet ES100s are at least half a 2 second faster on a 60 second autocross course, and will last twice as long on the track or autocross course than the Proxies. (I assume the are FS4 all Seasons)
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Well, I got a pretty good feel for the Es100's dry traction at the track, but I am a noob, so take it with a grain of salt. But I felt like I was fighting for traction. They just don't seem sticky at all. They were somewhat better when they warmed up, but still not great.
As for the Proxes 4's, this is how Toyo describes them: Quote:
They're obviously not snow tires, but they've worked just fine climing steep inclines with snow/ice on the ground several times this winter. Honestly I can't imagine a more versatile tire. And in addition to being quiet and handeling great in all situations, they have a 300 tread wear rating. People are saying they last for days. I know I'm labeled the local nutswinger and all, but I really don't think I need a seperate winter and summer setup anymore.
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I know nothing of labels except what the moderators put under my name, and I'm not even sure what a nutswinger is. I've had nothing but positive experiences with you,.
Fighting for traction is common for noobs. It takes time to learn how to not ask to much of your tires in any given instant. I'm still working on it as I beleive are the rest of us here, some are just further along the path than others. Its all about being smooth in your inputs to the car, brake, steering, and throttle. And actually, you will learn these skills faster, the suckier your tires are. There is nothing wrong with good all Seasons on a daily driver in Reno climate. That is what is on my A4. For Truckee, or a hard core skier, you would be pushing the envelope. There is no possible way I could have driven as quickly or safely on our way home from Nick's in Truckee on my All Seasoned A4 as I did in Debbie's completely unfamiliar Legacy outback on Blizzak Revos. Driving the cars back to back on the same surface minutes apart, the difference was huge. Yes, I could negotiate the road on my M&S tires, but to have close to the same level of confidence in the cars ability to respond to my input, the speed had to be about half or so of what it was on the Revos.
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For sure. All Season tires will never = snow tires. If I lived up the hill, I'm sure I'd want to get some real winter tires.
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It's hard to say anyway, what with two different drivers, in two different cars, with different weight and power output and suspension mods. Way too many variables.
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Camber hurts big time in ice and snow as well.
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wish i knew more about any of those tires. i have no experiance with any of them.
the yokos es 100s you mean the avs es 100's ? i have a set of those (just below street legal tread) I really loved them. good stiff side walls, i found them to have good wet traction (better then the RE070's ) . what i also liked about them is when you pushed them to their limits of traction, the grip didn't just fall off a cliff. the Re070's feel more aggressive. however when i exceed their grip , it feels (to me) like their traction just falls off a damn cliff. if you manage to kick your rear end free with the RE070's it seemed like their traction was on/off. course i Only had those on for about 500 miles and then i switched to snow tires. so no real seat time in my sti with them, so , wtf do i know. Boot, Sperry posted (in a diff thread) he would prefer if some noob autoXers used less sticky tires. I'de actually like to use my AVS es 100's , but walmart refused to put them back on my last car (thread depth is just below legal) is there a place that won't really ... check / care ? i'de need them demounted and mounted on a diff set of rims is the issue. do you happen to have an old set of something less sticky i could ride on ? if not i'll most likely be on the RE070's for the auto X. and only have maybe 500 miles on those tires... (probably not a great combo, noob autoXer and not in sync with the tires he's using) ... ![]() |
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