Random turbo stuff.. - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

NewbieREX · 2007-12-24, 09:52 PM

I have a rather stock sub 06 wrx. Its got turbo back, intake, and gonna have a frontmount and tune here shortly. Didnt have too much time to search, but was wondering if anyone had an opinion on upgrading the turbo.

100_Percent_Juice · 2007-12-25, 11:31 AM

Welcome to seccs. Why are you deciding to go with a front mount? What do you have in the form of engine management?

NewbieREX · 2007-12-26, 02:10 AM

Thanks, glad to be here. Just curious, wondering if by the way you say "why a frontmount" maybe has a disadvantage to it?? My plan was getting a frontmount and tune since they kinda go hand and hand. the tune im getting is by ECUtek delta dash system that plugs in underneath the steering wheel. As for the front mount, im thinking a perrin kit. Then eventually upgrade turbo and injectors etc.. but this is just kind of a rough draft, and thats why im asking for opinions and open to hear some some good information and learn alot ya know, part of the reason on why i joined this..

100_Percent_Juice · 2007-12-26, 08:06 AM

This thread will probably be moved to the technical section. The reason I said "why front mount?" is because, from what I have seen, they create lag. And since you are still with the stock turbo, I think there are probably other mods that would be a better bang for the buck. I am sure you will find good info on upgrades if you search this forum as I know we all talk about this very thing quite often.

Kevin M · 2007-12-26, 09:14 AM

The answer to the front mount question depends on how much more ass it kicks than sucks. As for tune, DeltaDash is not "tuning" software. It's strictly for datalogging. If you really mean an EcuTEK flash, chances are you're better off with an AccessPort. For the turbo recommendations, that's going to depend entirely on what you plan to do with the car. Autocross, track trials, dyno queen, etc.

IheartSTI · 2007-12-26, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

The answer to the front mount question depends on how much more ass it kicks than sucks. As for tune, DeltaDash is not "tuning" software. It's strictly for datalogging. If you really mean an EcuTEK flash, chances are you're better off with an AccessPort. For the turbo recommendations, that's going to depend entirely on what you plan to do with the car. Autocross, track trials, dyno queen, etc.

I have had good experience with EcuTek. I think most of the stuff they have out for our cars is good it is just a matter of what company you want to go with. also I do not think a front mount will have much lag, but if you are not sure how much you are going to to do with your motor i would get a sti top mount.

sperry · 2007-12-26, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by IheartSTI

I have had good experience with EcuTek. I think most of the stuff they have out for our cars is good it is just a matter of what company you want to go with. also I do not think a front mount will have much lag, but if you are not sure how much you are going to to do with your motor i would get a sti top mount.

EcuTek is a good setup. It's just harder to find someone to tune it 'cause the licensing for tuners is redonkulously expensive when compared to Cobb's Access Port.

Dean · 2007-12-26, 11:41 AM

At this point, I would say the only two real players are Cobb AccessPort and Open source Enginuity or similar.

I think open source has all but caught up with ECUTek without all the proprietary BS and inability to remove/resell the licenses and Cobb is still out front with technology and consumer friendly products.

As Scott said, finding a reputable tuner actually recommending or even willing to tune on ECUTek is pretty rough. Most are leaning Cobb or Open source.

Kevin M · 2007-12-26, 11:42 AM

Yep. The fault is not with the product of EcuTEK but with the lack of tuners who want to use it.

Dean · 2007-12-26, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

Yep. The fault is not with the product of EcuTEK but with the lack of tuners who want to use it.

Part of the fault is with the product itself. Cost, technical issues with proprietary "locking" of the ECU and inability to remove and resell a license are significant reasons the product has faltered and why demand from consumers and tuners has dropped.

I had an ECUTek ECU and liked it but would never choose them again until they resolve their issues and catch up and surpass Cobb's feature set. Cobb may be slow with new features, but ECUTek is glacial by comparison.

Kevin M · 2007-12-26, 11:55 AM

I'm just referring to the actual tuning tools. The proprietary junk is why tuners aren't using it anymore.

MattR · 2007-12-26, 11:58 AM

I finally switched over to Cobb's AP v 2.0, I was a Ecutek holdout from the early days. I gave up on the limitations the Ecutek setup offered. With tuning for altitude, I think Map switching is essential, Cobb offers that in an easy to use setup.

NewbieREX · 2007-12-26, 01:09 PM

Well thanks for all the info, it seems like the ECUtek system is kindof behind in technology. as for me, im not to familiar with the cobb Accessport but seems like a good product. Now i geuss its up to me to make the decision.. thanks again.

NewbieREX · 2007-12-26, 01:30 PM

oh and for the delta dash system, that wasnt what i meant. i meant the reflash system like ban suvs said, just thought id throw that out...

100_Percent_Juice · 2007-12-26, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NewbieREX

im not to familiar with the cobb Accessport but seems like a good product.

Get an Accessport, its cake to use and there are a ton of people who tune with them. Even a guy who comes to reno.

NewbieREX · 2007-12-26, 05:34 PM

Alright, ill think about it.. we'll see when that time comes around here shortly but thanks for your advice man.

Dean · 2007-12-26, 05:58 PM

Open source is a very viable option. You don't get all the bells and whistles of the AP gatget, but if all you need is 1 tune, it works just fine and you can spend the $s on a custom tune.

I think Cody and maybe a couple others on the board are using open source.

Nick Koan · 2007-12-26, 05:59 PM

Cody uses accessport. Actually, I can't think of anyone that uses the opensource tuning options.

Logging, yeah. Tuning, no.

Dean · 2007-12-26, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Koan

Cody uses accessport. Actually, I can't think of anyone that uses the opensource tuning options.

Logging, yeah. Tuning, no.

OK... I thought Ed was using Enginuity for some customers. Could be wrong.

100_Percent_Juice · 2007-12-26, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean

OK... I thought Ed was using Enginuity for some customers. Could be wrong.

Ed uses street tuner because it sounds a lot like street racing.

MattR · 2007-12-26, 09:32 PM

Are you people trying to lure Ed into this discussion so you can rip on him some more? damn.

Dean · 2007-12-26, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MattR

Are you people trying to lure Ed into this discussion so you can rip on him some more? damn.

I'm not...

100_Percent_Juice · 2007-12-26, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattR

Are you people trying to lure Ed into this discussion so you can rip on him some more? damn.

I never ripped on Ed. Ed and I are cool. I was just funnin

MattR · 2007-12-27, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100_Percent_Juice

I never ripped on Ed. Ed and I are cool. I was just funnin

I know, I'm just funnin too.

100_Percent_Juice · 2007-12-27, 01:58 PM

Quit being an emo truck driver.

2007-12-24, 09:52 PM	#1
NewbieREX n00b Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: carson city Posts: 5 Car: 2006 subaru impreza WRX Class: no class	Random turbo stuff.. I have a rather stock sub 06 wrx. Its got turbo back, intake, and gonna have a frontmount and tune here shortly. Didnt have too much time to search, but was wondering if anyone had an opinion on upgrading the turbo.

2007-12-25, 11:31 AM	#2
100_Percent_Juice (40 percent vodka) Real Name: Joel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,446 Car: 2004WRX Class: Baby-Hauler/GroceryGetter	Welcome to seccs. Why are you deciding to go with a front mount? What do you have in the form of engine management? __________________ "A power nap is when you sleep on someone who is weaker than you." - Dimitri Martin

2007-12-26, 08:06 AM	#4
100_Percent_Juice (40 percent vodka) Real Name: Joel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,446 Car: 2004WRX Class: Baby-Hauler/GroceryGetter	This thread will probably be moved to the technical section. The reason I said "why front mount?" is because, from what I have seen, they create lag. And since you are still with the stock turbo, I think there are probably other mods that would be a better bang for the buck. I am sure you will find good info on upgrades if you search this forum as I know we all talk about this very thing quite often. __________________ "A power nap is when you sleep on someone who is weaker than you." - Dimitri Martin

2007-12-26, 09:14 AM	#5
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	The answer to the front mount question depends on how much more ass it kicks than sucks. As for tune, DeltaDash is not "tuning" software. It's strictly for datalogging. If you really mean an EcuTEK flash, chances are you're better off with an AccessPort. For the turbo recommendations, that's going to depend entirely on what you plan to do with the car. Autocross, track trials, dyno queen, etc. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2007-12-26, 11:41 AM	#8
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	At this point, I would say the only two real players are Cobb AccessPort and Open source Enginuity or similar. I think open source has all but caught up with ECUTek without all the proprietary BS and inability to remove/resell the licenses and Cobb is still out front with technology and consumer friendly products. As Scott said, finding a reputable tuner actually recommending or even willing to tune on ECUTek is pretty rough. Most are leaning Cobb or Open source. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2007-12-26, 02:10 AM	#3
NewbieREX n00b Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: carson city Posts: 5 Car: 2006 subaru impreza WRX Class: no class	Thanks, glad to be here. Just curious, wondering if by the way you say "why a frontmount" maybe has a disadvantage to it?? My plan was getting a frontmount and tune since they kinda go hand and hand. the tune im getting is by ECUtek delta dash system that plugs in underneath the steering wheel. As for the front mount, im thinking a perrin kit. Then eventually upgrade turbo and injectors etc.. but this is just kind of a rough draft, and thats why im asking for opinions and open to hear some some good information and learn alot ya know, part of the reason on why i joined this..

2007-12-26, 11:42 AM	#9
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	Yep. The fault is not with the product of EcuTEK but with the lack of tuners who want to use it. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2007-12-26, 11:55 AM	#11
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	I'm just referring to the actual tuning tools. The proprietary junk is why tuners aren't using it anymore. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2007-12-26, 11:58 AM	#12
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	I finally switched over to Cobb's AP v 2.0, I was a Ecutek holdout from the early days. I gave up on the limitations the Ecutek setup offered. With tuning for altitude, I think Map switching is essential, Cobb offers that in an easy to use setup. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2007-12-26, 01:09 PM	#13
NewbieREX n00b Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: carson city Posts: 5 Car: 2006 subaru impreza WRX Class: no class	Well thanks for all the info, it seems like the ECUtek system is kindof behind in technology. as for me, im not to familiar with the cobb Accessport but seems like a good product. Now i geuss its up to me to make the decision.. thanks again.

2007-12-26, 01:30 PM	#14
NewbieREX n00b Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: carson city Posts: 5 Car: 2006 subaru impreza WRX Class: no class	oh and for the delta dash system, that wasnt what i meant. i meant the reflash system like ban suvs said, just thought id throw that out...

2007-12-26, 05:34 PM	#16
NewbieREX n00b Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: carson city Posts: 5 Car: 2006 subaru impreza WRX Class: no class	Alright, ill think about it.. we'll see when that time comes around here shortly but thanks for your advice man.

2007-12-26, 05:58 PM	#17
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	Open source is a very viable option. You don't get all the bells and whistles of the AP gatget, but if all you need is 1 tune, it works just fine and you can spend the $s on a custom tune. I think Cody and maybe a couple others on the board are using open source. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2007-12-26, 05:59 PM	#18
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Cody uses accessport. Actually, I can't think of anyone that uses the opensource tuning options. Logging, yeah. Tuning, no. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2007-12-26, 09:32 PM	#21
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Are you people trying to lure Ed into this discussion so you can rip on him some more? damn. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2007-12-27, 01:58 PM	#25
100_Percent_Juice (40 percent vodka) Real Name: Joel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,446 Car: 2004WRX Class: Baby-Hauler/GroceryGetter	Quit being an emo truck driver. __________________ "A power nap is when you sleep on someone who is weaker than you." - Dimitri Martin

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