Getting new tires, wondering what to try - Page 2 - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

sperry · 2006-03-02, 05:31 PM

I was being sarcastic about noobs on sticky tires. However I still believe there is a lot to learn from starting out in autocross in a slow car, with soft suspension, and crappy tires. When you don't have a lot to work with, you can concentrate on technique. Plus soft suspension makes the whole weight transfer thing brutally obvious.

That said, an STI on crappy tires probably isn't going to teach you much about anything except for wheelspin.

The RE070's are a terrific tire for autocrossing an STI, regargless of driver skill level... they're just what the car likes to run on.

A1337STI · 2006-03-02, 06:32 PM

no lil *sarcasm* notes to help me out

lol i'de maybe get a better time on the avs's cuase i'm used to em, boot, what ever, stocks will (hopefully) end up fairly cheap for me to run on ... lol ... ooopies

cody · 2006-03-02, 11:10 PM

I agree A1337STI, the AVS ES100's do lose traction gradually and they are predictable.

A1337STI · 2006-03-02, 11:21 PM

whaa? i know something?
i mean yes

I'm thinking that if i wanted to drive with the DCCD fully unlocked, just to try and drift it a bit, the AVS ES 100's would be way better. IMO what cuases a lot of crashes / trouble is starting a slide, on the very sticky RE070's cuase there isn't a lot of feed back to tell you when they are about to grip (and send your car which ever way your wheel is facing)

course the thinking by subaru was probably that peeps wouldn't try such tom foolary.

what are some tires with VERY high grip (wet+Dry summer use) that are predictable and gradually lose traction ? ??

(ya the avs's are okay)

are there any tires that have great grip on Tarmac (wet + dry ) and Dirt ? for summer use ? i know i'll end up taking my car off road this summer. (hopefully i can find FLAT roads with no rocks over the size of a pebble or just all dirt) well i guess since i'll wanting to be sliding around maybe i don't need great dirt traction. would suck to get stuck in mud. lol i think a stuck subaru (in snow or mud) is a very very sad sight

khail19 · 2006-04-20, 11:51 AM

Well, I'm bumping this because another option has presented itself. I never heard a lot about this tire, but it's cheap and has similar survey results to the Kumho SPT. It's the Dunlop Direzza DZ101 in 225/45/17 for $80 plus shipping. Any thoughts on this compared to the SPT? I'll be getting one of these in the very near future, since winter should be about done by now.

MPREZIV · 2006-04-20, 11:57 AM

I have actually heard good things about those Dunlops. I don't know how accurate the sources are, but word of mouth says they're a pretty decent tire.

khail19 · 2006-04-20, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MPREZIV

I have actually heard good things about those Dunlops. I don't know how accurate the sources are, but word of mouth says they're a pretty decent tire.

Cool, glad someone has heard of them at least. I wish Tirerack had some actual test results on them, but all I have to go by is survey results.

Dean · 2006-04-20, 01:06 PM

How is that even in contention? the SPTs are only $82 and local at TR, right?

If you want to pay more and be a guinea pig, go for it. Otherwise, I'd probably go with the known quantity. SPTs!

MattR · 2006-04-20, 04:24 PM

The Flaken ZE 512 is my new favorite Street tire ever, I love them.

I'd be curious to see where that Dunlop stacks up though.

JC · 2006-04-20, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattR

The Flaken ZE 512 is my new favorite Street tire ever, I love them.

Flakens? lol I run 512s on my Legacy and I must say they are outstanding in the rain. Trust me we get a ton of it here, I just drove through a good 8" deep puddle. I've been pleased with them, but the Legacy doesn't put gigantic demands on tires either.

MattR · 2006-04-20, 05:40 PM

Oops Typo...Flakens are the knock-off brand.

khail19 · 2006-04-21, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean

How is that even in contention? the SPTs are only $82 and local at TR, right?

If you want to pay more and be a guinea pig, go for it. Otherwise, I'd probably go with the known quantity. SPTs!

The Dunlops would cost me around $45 more for the set after shipping, which isn't bad if they are a better tire. But no one really knows if they are or not, so I guess I'm taking a chance if I get them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattR

The Flaken ZE 512 is my new favorite Street tire ever, I love them.

I'd be curious to see where that Dunlop stacks up though.

You like them more than the ST115s? Are they quieter?

MattR · 2006-04-21, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khail19

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You like them more than the ST115s? Are they quieter?

Well, I think the ST115 is still a bit stickier for summer time, but the 512 is no slouch, it feels good. But yes, the 512 is nearly as quiet and it rules the rain and is legal to run in snow.

khail19 · 2006-04-24, 11:13 AM

This is getting ridiculous. Another good deal came up. Here's my choices now...

Kumho SPT 225/45/17 $304 picked up
Kumho Spt 235/40/17 $320 picked up
Dunlop DZ101 225/45/17 $380 shipped
Toyo T1S 215/45/17 $398 shipped

Toyo pros - Very lightweight, 3-5 lbs lighter than the other choices, very well regarded street tire for budget price.

Toyo cons - 215 width only, on a 7.5" rim. Might be a bit stretched, although that size is listed for a 7.0-8.0" wide rim. More $$, but if it's a better tire it's worth it for me.

So what do I do? There's only 8 of the Toyos left in stock, so I need to decide quickly.

Dean · 2006-04-24, 02:36 PM

Oh man.... Just go get the 225 SPTs and be done already...

khail19 · 2006-04-24, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean

Oh man.... Just go get the 225 SPTs and be done already...

I knew you would say that!

Kevin M · 2006-04-24, 03:18 PM

235/40 gets my vote. Wider + shorter = better.

M3n2c3 · 2006-04-24, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

235/40 gets my vote. Wider + shorter = better.

I'd go with 225/45, but that's just because I'd freak out knowing I had a 2% error screwing up my odometer readout.

View Poll Results: Which tire
BFG G-force Sport	0	0%
Falken Azenis ST115	2	25.00%
Kumho Ecsta SPT	5	62.50%
Quit being a pussy and get some Hankooks	1	12.50%
Voters: 8. You may not vote on this poll

2006-03-02, 05:31 PM	#26
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	I was being sarcastic about noobs on sticky tires. However I still believe there is a lot to learn from starting out in autocross in a slow car, with soft suspension, and crappy tires. When you don't have a lot to work with, you can concentrate on technique. Plus soft suspension makes the whole weight transfer thing brutally obvious. That said, an STI on crappy tires probably isn't going to teach you much about anything except for wheelspin. The RE070's are a terrific tire for autocrossing an STI, regargless of driver skill level... they're just what the car likes to run on. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2006-03-02, 11:10 PM	#28
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	I agree A1337STI, the AVS ES100's do lose traction gradually and they are predictable. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2006-03-02, 11:21 PM	#29
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	whaa? i know something? i mean yes I'm thinking that if i wanted to drive with the DCCD fully unlocked, just to try and drift it a bit, the AVS ES 100's would be way better. IMO what cuases a lot of crashes / trouble is starting a slide, on the very sticky RE070's cuase there isn't a lot of feed back to tell you when they are about to grip (and send your car which ever way your wheel is facing) course the thinking by subaru was probably that peeps wouldn't try such tom foolary. what are some tires with VERY high grip (wet+Dry summer use) that are predictable and gradually lose traction ? ?? (ya the avs's are okay) are there any tires that have great grip on Tarmac (wet + dry ) and Dirt ? for summer use ? i know i'll end up taking my car off road this summer. (hopefully i can find FLAT roads with no rocks over the size of a pebble or just all dirt) well i guess since i'll wanting to be sliding around maybe i don't need great dirt traction. would suck to get stuck in mud. lol i think a stuck subaru (in snow or mud) is a very very sad sight Last edited by A1337STI; 2006-03-02 at 11:27 PM.

2006-04-20, 11:57 AM	#31
MPREZIV Token Real Name: Le Stig Afrique? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sitting next to a big yellow box Posts: 3,589 Car: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Class: 05 TDSP No, I won't work on your car. F your car*	I have actually heard good things about those Dunlops. I don't know how accurate the sources are, but word of mouth says they're a pretty decent tire. __________________ "...these condoms have a topical anesthetic to reduce sensitivity, so you can last longer. What a paradox. You can't feel a thing, but you can f*ck for HOURS..."

2006-03-02, 06:32 PM	#27
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	no lil sarcasm notes to help me out lol i'de maybe get a better time on the avs's cuase i'm used to em, boot, what ever, stocks will (hopefully) end up fairly cheap for me to run on ... lol ... ooopies

2006-04-20, 11:51 AM	#30
khail19 EJ205 Real Name: Khail Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,769 Car: 2016 VW GTI Meets? We have meets?	Well, I'm bumping this because another option has presented itself. I never heard a lot about this tire, but it's cheap and has similar survey results to the Kumho SPT. It's the Dunlop Direzza DZ101 in 225/45/17 for $80 plus shipping. Any thoughts on this compared to the SPT? I'll be getting one of these in the very near future, since winter should be about done by now.

2006-04-20, 01:06 PM	#33
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	How is that even in contention? the SPTs are only $82 and local at TR, right? If you want to pay more and be a guinea pig, go for it. Otherwise, I'd probably go with the known quantity. SPTs! __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2006-04-20, 04:24 PM	#34
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	The Flaken ZE 512 is my new favorite Street tire ever, I love them. I'd be curious to see where that Dunlop stacks up though. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2006-04-20, 05:40 PM	#36
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Oops Typo...Flakens are the knock-off brand. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2006-04-24, 11:13 AM	#39
khail19 EJ205 Real Name: Khail Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,769 Car: 2016 VW GTI Meets? We have meets?	This is getting ridiculous. Another good deal came up. Here's my choices now... Kumho SPT 225/45/17 $304 picked up Kumho Spt 235/40/17 $320 picked up Dunlop DZ101 225/45/17 $380 shipped Toyo T1S 215/45/17 $398 shipped Toyo pros - Very lightweight, 3-5 lbs lighter than the other choices, very well regarded street tire for budget price. Toyo cons - 215 width only, on a 7.5" rim. Might be a bit stretched, although that size is listed for a 7.0-8.0" wide rim. More $$, but if it's a better tire it's worth it for me. So what do I do? There's only 8 of the Toyos left in stock, so I need to decide quickly.

2006-04-24, 02:36 PM	#40
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	Oh man.... Just go get the 225 SPTs and be done already... __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2006-04-24, 03:18 PM	#42
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	235/40 gets my vote. Wider + shorter = better. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

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