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sp00ln · 2006-04-24, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperry

Cheap, Fast, Reliable: Pick two.

DSM = Cheap & Fast.

Apparenly my WRX = just Fast.

You might convince me that a DSM is an upgrade at this point.

Hopefully after things are back together and tuned, the motor will last a while.

Well, I know that if you would have put the money into a 6bolt DSM that you put into your WRX, you'd have an amazing car. We'll, you're all about handeling, not some much power and handeling, huh?

580hp : http://www.automotosports.com/ericspec.asp

GC8.Love · 2006-04-24, 09:06 PM

Oh no! What the crap. I'm sorry that's not even the first time...

GST Mike · 2006-04-25, 07:14 AM

Well I backed it onto the dyno last night Scott, if that's any sign of it's health

Something to add though is that the shower of oil from the oil cooler is something to watch, I think I am going to have to fix it before you come down though.

Mike

sybir · 2006-04-25, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GST Mike

Well I backed it onto the dyno last night Scott, if that's any sign of it's health

Something to add though is that the shower of oil from the oil cooler is something to watch, I think I am going to have to fix it before you come down though.

Mike

Mike, you're exposing his competitive advantage, an SM-legal oil-slick dispenser!

doubleurx · 2006-04-25, 09:14 AM

Sounds like good news and a huge relief Scott. All I can say about Mike's dedication/patience with your car is WOW? Driving to pick up your car and haul it to the shop - that's what I call service!

sp00ln · 2006-04-25, 10:02 AM

Do WRX's/STi's come with oil coolers (air to air) stock?

sperry · 2006-04-25, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sp00ln

Do WRX's/STi's come with oil coolers (air to air) stock?

Nope. There's an oil/water heat exchanger on the bottom of the motor between the block and the oil filter that helps to equalize water and oil temps, but it's not really a cooler.

I built a top mount oil cooler that kinda sits where the old intercooler went in the hoodscoop. Unfortunately it looks like the cooler core has a leak in it!

Time to bring it back to Summit for a new one.

sp00ln · 2006-04-25, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperry

Nope. There's an oil/water heat exchanger on the bottom of the motor between the block and the oil filter that helps to equalize water and oil temps, but it's not really a cooler.

I built a top mount oil cooler that kinda sits where the old intercooler went in the hoodscoop. Unfortunately it looks like the cooler core has a leak in it!

Time to bring it back to Summit for a new one.

That's crap that they still use a sandwich for new model RALLEY BASED cars. Genius idea puting it where the old IC is.

Thats why I want to get a 1990 DSM - 6 bolt, oil cooler stock.

sperry · 2006-04-25, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sp00ln

That's crap that they still use a sandwich for new model RALLEY BASED cars. Genius idea puting it where the old IC is.

Thats why I want to get a 1990 DSM - 6 bolt, oil cooler stock.

I think the only reason for the oil/water heat exchanger is to help warm up the oil to operating temperatures more quickly. I can't imagine that thing does much for lowering oil temps.

Overseas, the special edition STIs all come w/ grill mounted oil coolers.

sp00ln · 2006-04-25, 10:22 AM

It doesn't. I was wondering though - Do you think there is a way where you could run the lines to another water/cooling liquid source that could provide cooler temps than the radiator can provide? Perhaps get an oil cooler/transmition cooler and just make it an extension of your radiator route and have it immediatley go to your sandwich?

Hmmmm....

sperry · 2006-04-25, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sp00ln

It doesn't. I was wondering though - Do you think there is a way where you could run the lines to another water/cooling liquid source that could provide cooler temps than the radiator can provide? Perhaps get an oil cooler/transmition cooler and just make it an extension of your radiator route and have it immediatley go to your sandwich?

Hmmmm....

The way the exchanger is plumbed, you'd have to somehow route the water that normally runs through the exhanger, around the exhanger... after which, I don't think there'd be much room to add the plumbing needed to hook the exchanger to a better/different cooler.

Really the best/easiest thing to do is to toss a sandwhich adapter in there and run a simple oil cooler, same way Subaru/STI does it:

SlickNick112 · 2006-04-25, 03:11 PM

Updates?.......

sybir · 2006-04-25, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickNick112

Updates?.......

Are all in the previous 35 posts, just read 'em

Motor runs, no apparent damage, new oil-cooler system has some kinks to be worked out.

sperry · 2006-04-25, 03:41 PM

The update is that the car is running, but Mike's outta time to tune it before the weekend due to his commitment to the rally team's Rim entry.

I'm trying to get down there tonight/tomorrow to lend a hand, hopefully to get my car running for this weekend, as well as to help out on the rally car if I can be of any use.

sp00ln · 2006-04-25, 05:51 PM

How much do they charge to do a leakdown test? When I say leak down, its not a compression test, is it?

sperry · 2006-04-26, 09:20 AM

A leak-down test is basically hooking up compressed air to the cylinder and seeing how fast the pressure leaks off. It's unlike a compression test (that uses the starter to crank the motor and reads cylinder pressures) because it's done w/o having to turn the motor.

Here's a decent explaination: http://www.type2.com/library/engineg/leaktst.htm

I have no idea what they charge... I'm assuming it's their normal $75/hr shop work rate, and probably an hour for all four cylinders. On an inline 4 it would probably take less time since the cylinders/sparkplugs are far more accessible.

sp00ln · 2006-04-26, 09:37 AM

Yeah, I know what a leakdown test is. Im just making sure that they were not doing actually doing a compression test when they claim it's a leak down test.

I wanted to do it myself, but I cant find the gauge in town. Would anyone happen to know where I could possibly pick one up? I've have yet to go to summit, but I've gone to nappa, autozone, and kragen... nothing.

Pat R. · 2006-04-26, 05:45 PM

You could probably flag down a Matco or Snap-on truck and pick one up.

MattR · 2006-04-26, 08:30 PM

So we're grabbing the car hauler at 6:30 AM, and should have frankensuby onboard by 11:00AM. Wish us luck.

sybir · 2006-04-26, 08:34 PM

You down there now?

MattR · 2006-04-27, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by sybir

You down there now?

Nope, still in Reno, I'm leaving to get Scott right now.

MPREZIV · 2006-04-27, 06:32 AM

Scott already called me at 6:12 this morning to see if he could bring you your wheels Aaron, but they were here at work, and the store didn't open until 7.

Tried...

sybir · 2006-04-27, 08:17 AM

No worries, man, I'm sorry for all the hassle.

MPREZIV · 2006-04-27, 08:55 AM

Eh, not a hassle at all dude! Like I've said before, I'm always glad to help out!

2006-04-24, 09:06 PM	#27
GC8.Love EJ22 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 339 Car: '01 STM Impreza 2.5 RS ; '96 "Junior Mints" colored Impreza Brighton - "Bowl of Wet Spaghetti" Class: We got classes?	Oh no! What the crap. I'm sorry that's not even the first time... __________________ "Lemon curry?!"

2006-04-25, 10:02 AM	#31
sp00ln EJ205 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,196	Do WRX's/STi's come with oil coolers (air to air) stock? __________________ Turbo is a decent with modification.

2006-04-25, 10:22 AM	#35
sp00ln EJ205 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,196	It doesn't. I was wondering though - Do you think there is a way where you could run the lines to another water/cooling liquid source that could provide cooler temps than the radiator can provide? Perhaps get an oil cooler/transmition cooler and just make it an extension of your radiator route and have it immediatley go to your sandwich? Hmmmm.... __________________ Turbo is a decent with modification.

2006-04-25, 03:11 PM	#37
SlickNick112 EJ251 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 603 Car: '06 Impreza WRX STi Class: Out of class! I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal. People know me.	Updates?....... __________________ "I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. " *~Frank Sinatra*

2006-04-25, 03:41 PM	#39
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	The update is that the car is running, but Mike's outta time to tune it before the weekend due to his commitment to the rally team's Rim entry. I'm trying to get down there tonight/tomorrow to lend a hand, hopefully to get my car running for this weekend, as well as to help out on the rally car if I can be of any use. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2006-04-25, 07:14 AM	#28
GST Mike EJ22 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hayward, CA Posts: 191 Car: Zee L Load, Efficiency, MAP etc etc etc	Well I backed it onto the dyno last night Scott, if that's any sign of it's health Something to add though is that the shower of oil from the oil cooler is something to watch, I think I am going to have to fix it before you come down though. Mike

2006-04-25, 09:14 AM	#30
doubleurx EJ205 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 1,948	Sounds like good news and a huge relief Scott. All I can say about Mike's dedication/patience with your car is WOW? Driving to pick up your car and haul it to the shop - that's what I call service!

2006-04-25, 05:51 PM	#40
sp00ln EJ205 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,196	How much do they charge to do a leakdown test? When I say leak down, its not a compression test, is it? __________________ Turbo is a decent with modification.

2006-04-26, 09:20 AM	#41
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	A leak-down test is basically hooking up compressed air to the cylinder and seeing how fast the pressure leaks off. It's unlike a compression test (that uses the starter to crank the motor and reads cylinder pressures) because it's done w/o having to turn the motor. Here's a decent explaination: http://www.type2.com/library/engineg/leaktst.htm I have no idea what they charge... I'm assuming it's their normal $75/hr shop work rate, and probably an hour for all four cylinders. On an inline 4 it would probably take less time since the cylinders/sparkplugs are far more accessible. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2006-04-26, 09:37 AM	#42
sp00ln EJ205 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,196	Yeah, I know what a leakdown test is. Im just making sure that they were not doing actually doing a compression test when they claim it's a leak down test. I wanted to do it myself, but I cant find the gauge in town. Would anyone happen to know where I could possibly pick one up? I've have yet to go to summit, but I've gone to nappa, autozone, and kragen... nothing. __________________ Turbo is a decent with modification.

2006-04-26, 05:45 PM	#43
Pat R. EJ251 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Southeast Hades Posts: 593 Car: Red Class: Stockish ¿Quién es tu padre?	You could probably flag down a Matco or Snap-on truck and pick one up.

2006-04-26, 08:30 PM	#44
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	So we're grabbing the car hauler at 6:30 AM, and should have frankensuby onboard by 11:00AM. Wish us luck. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2006-04-26, 08:34 PM	#45
sybir The Don Real Name: Aaron Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,097 Car: '97 Legacy / '05 FXT Class: low	You down there now? __________________ Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic.

2006-04-27, 06:32 AM	#47
MPREZIV Token Real Name: Le Stig Afrique? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sitting next to a big yellow box Posts: 3,589 Car: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Class: 05 TDSP No, I won't work on your car. F your car*	Scott already called me at 6:12 this morning to see if he could bring you your wheels Aaron, but they were here at work, and the store didn't open until 7. Tried... __________________ "...these condoms have a topical anesthetic to reduce sensitivity, so you can last longer. What a paradox. You can't feel a thing, but you can f*ck for HOURS..."

2006-04-27, 08:17 AM	#48
sybir The Don Real Name: Aaron Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,097 Car: '97 Legacy / '05 FXT Class: low	No worries, man, I'm sorry for all the hassle. __________________ Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic.

2006-04-27, 08:55 AM	#49
MPREZIV Token Real Name: Le Stig Afrique? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sitting next to a big yellow box Posts: 3,589 Car: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Class: 05 TDSP No, I won't work on your car. F your car*	Eh, not a hassle at all dude! Like I've said before, I'm always glad to help out! __________________ "...these condoms have a topical anesthetic to reduce sensitivity, so you can last longer. What a paradox. You can't feel a thing, but you can f*ck for HOURS..."

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