Local Amsoil or Motul Dealers?

[knucklesplitter]

Originally Posted by Kevin M

Does RP come in gallon/5 quart jugs?

The regular 5W30 does not come in gallon jugs. Dunno why. The XPR racing 5W30 does. I can get case discounts, and also 5-gallon jugs on regular 5W30.

[Kevin M]

Since they won't give any info about it on their site, what makes the XPR stuff special?

[knucklesplitter]

The shop (if/when) will maybe stock these big pails and people can fill up their own containers with a pump. Good for price, and less plastic (and oil drippings) in landfills.

[knucklesplitter]

Originally Posted by Kevin M

Since they won't give any info about it on their site, what makes the XPR stuff special?

That I dunno.

[knucklesplitter]

Also can get ENEOS oils. Anybody know anything about them?

[03wrxwagon]

Originally Posted by knucklesplitter

Also can get ENEOS oils. Anybody know anything about them?

i do have been wanting to run it i almost bought some when i was in so cal for subiefest i almost bought a drum and had it shipped from yimisporttuning..anyway how much for 5qts of 5/30 pm me please so we can talk

[norbeaster]

I might be interested in a case of Amsoil what are those going for? What about Rotella? anywhere local that carries it?

[knucklesplitter]

Originally Posted by norbeaster

I might be interested in a case of Amsoil what are those going for? What about Rotella? anywhere local that carries it?

Case of 12qt. Amsoil 5W30 is $103.50 + tax.

Case of 12qt. Amsoil Racing 10W30 is $127.80 + tax. No 5W30 available.


There is a lower grade of 100% synthetic too - $90 per case.

Also gallon jugs and cases of 4x gallon jugs.

[cody]

I really hate the idea of mixing fluids, but Phil of Andrewtech is all over Nasioc recommending 3 quarts of Redline Shockproof LW mixed with one quart of Motul Gear 300 75W-90 for the 5MT. He says he spoke to Redline and this is a good mix. His logic is that the the Redline is almost perfect except that it poors poorly in cold temps. The Motul fluid is too keep it from getting too thick. If you don't want to bother with Motul, you can use Valvoline Synthetic or your favorite synthetic 75W-90.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sear...rchid=12008487

In case the search expires, some results:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...e#post27915305
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...e#post27819969

[Kevin M]

Personally, I don't feel the need to mix fluids to make it a little more convenient to add them when it's cold out. I just put the bottles in a bucket of hot water to get them flowing better.

[cody]

Poor wording on my part.

I don't think it's to make the fluids easier to pour into the transmission. It's to make shifting easier/smoother in the cold.

Pore.

[A1337STI]

Originally Posted by cody

I really hate the idea of mixing fluids, but Phil of Andrewtech is all over Nasioc recommending 3 quarts of Redline Shockproof LW mixed with one quart of Motul Gear 300 75W-90 for the 5MT. He says he spoke to Redline and this is a good mix. His logic is that the the Redline is almost perfect except that it poors poorly in cold temps. The Motul fluid is too keep it from getting too thick. If you don't want to bother with Motul, you can use Valvoline Synthetic or your favorite synthetic 75W-90.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sear...rchid=12008487

In case the search expires, some results:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...e#post27915305
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...e#post27819969

Okay , but what does he Do with his car? just getting milk and eggs? Hill climbs? Time Attacks? Rallies?

I've got Amsoil Transmission fluid in my rally car, racing on a 15 year old transmission flying over jumps and hitting dips hard, panicked shifts in water crossings trying not to get stuck and i have no signs of transmission wear. Honestly You'de have to pay me to use a Cocktail in my transmission (and if anyone would like to lmk)

Sunshine auto Stocks Amsoil , though their prices are a bit high I would recommend just ordering some through knucklesplitter and not to mix it with anything else.

[Kevin M]

Uh, Andrewtech sort of specializes in upgraded gearboxes. http://www.andrewtechautomotive.com/services.html

They're not some startup yokel shop.

[cody]

I've heard the Severe Gear is pretty good in the 5MT, but it doesn't last as long as Gear 300. After, say, 15K miles it starts to feel like it needs a change. I'm all for regular fluid changes, but I want something that can last a long time.

And Andrewtech has probably seen more open Subaru gearboxes than any other shop in the country. I give their advice far more weight than any other single poster. However, I don't like the idea of cocktails really, either.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by cody

I've heard the Severe Gear is pretty good in the 5MT, but it doesn't last as long as Gear 300. After, say, 15K miles it starts to feel like it needs a change. I'm all for regular fluid changes, but I want something that can last a long time.

And Andrewtech has probably seen more open Subaru gearboxes than any other shop in the country. I give their advice far more weight than any other single poster. However, I don't like the idea of cocktails really, either.

You realize that Shockproof itself is likely a cocktail of some sort to begin with. The only difference is that it's mixed at RedLine's factory instead of in your garage.

Gear oils are all pretty similar, and mixing them for the most part just blends the properties of the two weights to somewhere in the middle. The chemistry of developing a new oil is probably pretty complex, but there's no chemistry really involved in blending two different weights.

[cody]

Sure, but are you saying that there's never a chance for a bad interaction between two gear fluids? I know they're designed to be compatible with eachother since there's always some of the previous fluid left over, but I'm surprised that there's no such thing as a bad interaction (like breaking down faster, unforseen reactions, etc) when mixed full strength. I mean, manufacturers test their formulas by themselves, not mixed with every other fluid out there. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but that's how I am with my car.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by cody

Sure, but are you saying that there's never a chance for a bad interaction between two gear fluids? I know they're designed to be compatible with eachother since there's always some of the previous fluid left over, but I'm surprised that there's no such thing as a bad interaction (like breaking down faster, unforseen reactions, etc) when mixed full strength. I mean, manufacturers test their formulas by themselves, not mixed with every other fluid out there. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but that's how I am with my car.

I wouldn't go so far as to say there can't be a weird reaction... but blending similar oils should be akin to blending different octane gas. No one freaks out if you mix 100 octane and 91 octane to bump to 93 octane, right? Mixing a 5w30 and 15w50 is going to result in a 10w40 or thereabouts. Mixing ultralight shockproof and heavyweight shockproof is going to give you lightweight shockproof or thereabouts.

And apparently mixing that Motul into lightweight shockproof is just going to lighten up the cold performance of the shockproof according to Andrewtech. Now, I probably wouldn't go around testing my own blends just because I don't want to deal with the carnage if I lighten something too much... but I'd trust a reputable gearbox shop like Andrewtech because they've probably seen it all and tried it all themselves.

[Kevin M]

I wonder why he didn't just use Redline ULSP or standard 75w90(NS) instead of the Motul.

[cody]

I know he hates the 75w90NS. I saw a post today where he said that it's really awful on the gear box. Is the ULSP 75w-90?

[Kevin M]

I'm not sure. I think it's meant for 2WD gearboxes, without differentials.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by cody

I know he hates the 75w90NS. I saw a post today where he said that it's really awful on the gear box. Is the ULSP 75w-90?

I thought the ultralight didn't have the right friction for the synchros even though it's the right viscosity according to the manual.

But I don't really follow the whole gear oil saga... once I tried the lightweight shockproof, that's all I use.

[03wrxwagon]

Originally Posted by norbeaster

I might be interested in a case of Amsoil what are those going for? What about Rotella? anywhere local that carries it?

walmart carrys rotella

[A1337STI]

Originally Posted by Kevin M

Since they won't give any info about it on their site, what makes the XPR stuff special?

It has higher amounts of Zinc and one other additive that's good for reducing wear , Dean mentioned it as the only other thing you could add to oil to reduce wear coincidentally a few ago at the car meet.

[A1337STI]

Originally Posted by Kevin M

I'm not sure. I think it's meant for 2WD gearboxes, without differentials.

my 93 service manual calls for 75-90 gear oil , no friction modifiers or anything like that .. (same as the awd transmission ) my torsen diff said no special fluid either, i've been running amsoils full synthetic 75-90

[Kevin M]

The diffs require GL5 oil is all. Nothing in a Subie requires friction modifiers or anything, but you have to be careful about what you put in an STi rear diff.