What is New Era? Not the hats...

[MattR]

Originally Posted by dknv

My question is, how do we introduce appropriate avenues of racing to them? I suspect there's no coolness to be found in autox, track days and such, whereas street racing is thrilling and dangerous and earns them the respect of their peers. It's too bad though, when things like this happen.
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...0354/1004/NEWS

17 y/o, what a freaking shame. My son John was telling me he went over to Circuit City last week, where some New Era guys were, among others, running in a street race until everyone was told to leave - quick. He had heard 2 racers got in an accident when a 3rd driver from a side street ran a redlight, and ran into them. It sounds like the same incident.

Here's a thread on the street racing board regarding the accident...
http://nolimitimports.com/phpBB2/vie...=asc&start=135

rememebr guys, no need for a forum war or anything, I just thought you'd be interested to see what went on.

[WRXRallyBlue]

Originally Posted by dknv

My question is, how do we introduce appropriate avenues of racing to them? I suspect there's no coolness to be found in autox, track days and such, whereas street racing is thrilling and dangerous and earns them the respect of their peers. It's too bad though, when things like this happen.
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...0354/1004/NEWS

17 y/o, what a freaking shame. My son John was telling me he went over to Circuit City last week, where some New Era guys were, among others, running in a street race until everyone was told to leave - quick. He had heard 2 racers got in an accident when a 3rd driver from a side street ran a redlight, and ran into them. It sounds like the same incident.

Yeah, the week after that they had cops everywhere keeping an eye on the kids. Even a chopper

[WRXRallyBlue]

Originally Posted by JonnydaJibba

Does Andy have a bugeye? If so, he came to a party at my house a few months ago. He was a cool guy.

I met him a couple years ago and I see his car from time to time. He is a good guy.

[left footed whooten]

So, other Reno-ites, this may be slightly off-topic, but has anyone noticed the amount of streetracer asshat action that takes place on McCarran between Plumas and Kietzke and on around counter-clockwise? It is absolutely insane, crotch-rockets, ricers (yes, I've seen 'New Era' vinegar-bags blasting around, too), all sorts of craziness. I am so surprised that there is not a crackdown happening, they would generate some revenue and get some unsafe idiots off of a busy street. It is staggering and scary. I was pushed around and cut off by a group of four bikers on friday night, and an saturday night at only 8:30, a line of ghetto-fabulous hondas and such ran the red in the left turn lane and almost took out some folks. What the shit is this crap and where is RPD???? Don't they want more Charger and Magnum police cruisers? Get these fuckers, fine them, auction their cars, do something....I am definitely going to make a call to 334-COPS, and register a complaint or report, but I have trouble believing that they don't know this already. Anyone else, or am I just plum crazy?

[tysonK]

It sounds like the guy in the SRT-4 is the same old guy we met a long ime ago at 4th Turn with the Silver SRT-4?

[sperry]

Originally Posted by MattR

Here's a thread on the street racing board regarding the accident...
http://nolimitimports.com/phpBB2/vie...=asc&start=135

rememebr guys, no need for a forum war or anything, I just thought you'd be interested to see what went on.

From that thread:

GOT DAMN!!!!!!!! Shocked THAT SHIT IS BANANAS!!!! R.I.P TO THA KID WHO WAS DRIVING IN THE CRX.....KINDA FEEL BAD FOR HIM, BUT HE SHOULDN'T HAVE PULLED OUT IN FRONT OF THE RACES GOING ON(VERY BAD CHOICE!!!!) AND IT COST HIM HIS LIFE Sad . MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL LEARN FROM THIS EXPERIENCE AND NOT MAKE CHOICES LIKE THIS....AND THANK GOD THAT THE HEROIC SPECTATATOR HAD ENOUGH GUTS TO PUT HIS OWN LIFE AT RISK TO GET THAT KID OUTTA OF THA BURNING CAR AND SAVING HIS LIFE FOR THE MOMENT.....

That's like saying, "well he shouldn't have stood in front of those guys shooting their guns into the crowd."

[left footed whooten]

Wow. That entire forum is scary, and I'm willing to bet that many of the asshats that I referred to in post #54 are members of that forum. Truly, truly scary that there are that many 'avid' street racers in this area who think that it is not only OK, but cool.
*sigh* At least they are stupid enough to identify themselves with their photos there. I saw a couple idiot cars that I've seen around town. Hopefully the cops monitor that site.
I'm glad our Subys crash alot better than CRX's do, in case of projectile douchebags hurtling down the road, we have better (although only slightly) chances of survival.

[Duckie]

Don't be ignorant, no one there posts their picture. Most of the people there are responsible people who set up races away from people and spectators. I have already said my stance on street racing and if people go about it the proper way then they dont endanger anyone but themselves which I have no problem with. It is their life and they can choose what they want to do with it as long as its not effecting others. Read more of the posts on the site. 1/5 of the members tell people to NOT streetrace and take it to the track often using the moto "You pay for it either way" so please dont group people together esspecially such a diverse group. I am a member of the forum and I post fairly often but it doesn't mean I go zipping through the town being an asshat. A lot of them respect you so maybe you should return it. Having a stance on street racing is one thing but generalizing is another. You might as well say "lololol american cars can only go in a straight line lolzzzz my toyota corolla type S could go in circles around youzzz hahhahehh"

If you think that there arent people who irresponsable on tracks then you have a very scewed view. There are idiots no matter where you go and that will never change. Yes, there are more idiots who call themselves streetracers and go down to circuit city being dumb asses but believe me when I say its not for everyone. And not all "streetracers" go about it in idiotic ways. As long as the person acknowledges they are doing something illegal and they must accept the consequences for it then whats wrong with it. There are plenty of illegal actions people doing everyday that we accept and dont tell cops about, the most prominent being drug use. Don't tell me you dont know ONE person who does drugs...its statistically impossible yet you have never turned them to the cops have you? Please consider all of these things before making statements about the "streetracing crowd"

[Bob Danger]

The Fuzz need an informant on the inside, to track down these guys, and crush their cars... with them still in it.

[WRXRallyBlue]

Originally Posted by Duckie

If you think that there arent people who irresponsable on tracks then you have a very scewed view. There are idiots no matter where you go and that will never change. Yes, there are more idiots who call themselves streetracers and go down to circuit city being dumb asses but believe me when I say its not for everyone. And not all "streetracers" go about it in idiotic ways. As long as the person acknowledges they are doing something illegal and they must accept the consequences for it then whats wrong with it. There are plenty of illegal actions people doing everyday that we accept and dont tell cops about, the most prominent being drug use. Don't tell me you dont know ONE person who does drugs...its statistically impossible yet you have never turned them to the cops have you? Please consider all of these things before making statements about the "streetracing crowd"

Agreed. I'm not ashamed to admit that I go down to Circuit City on the weekends and hang out with some friends. Doesn't make me a douchebag streetracer for doing so.

[WRXRallyBlue]

We must infiltrate their ranks, breed with their women, and in time our differences will be forgotten..

[left footed whooten]

Originally Posted by Duckie

I have already said my stance on street racing and if people go about it the proper way then they dont endanger anyone but themselves which I have no problem with. It is their life and they can choose what they want to do with it as long as its not effecting others. Having a stance on street racing is one thing but generalizing is another.

If you think that there arent people who irresponsable on tracks then you have a very scewed view. And not all "streetracers" go about it in idiotic ways. As long as the person acknowledges they are doing something illegal and they must accept the consequences for it then whats wrong with it. There are plenty of illegal actions people doing everyday that we accept and dont tell cops about, the most prominent being drug use. Don't tell me you dont know ONE person who does drugs...its statistically impossible yet you have never turned them to the cops have you? Please consider all of these things before making statements about the "streetracing crowd"

Hold on, easy now. First off, and disgaree if you must, but racing on the street has no proper way. it simply does not belong. Nobody has complete control over what goes on around them, it has the very real and extremely high potential to endanger and injure/kill others no matter how 'smart' they think they are being and how they 'go about it'. It is always a crapshoot. Streetracing is idiotic, the odds are similar to that of roulette, the worst in the house. And as for the drug user analogy, yeah, I know many, and if they were endangering me or others through their habits (the main difference being that their choices mostly affect only themselves), you bet your ass I would take action whether it was police action or what have you. Simply put racing on the street is flagrant disregard for other people, no matter the location or manner of how its gone about. The consequences of a mishap have much probability to include people that had nothing to do with it. So if that's generalizing too much, I'll live with the fact that I generalize. I've seen too many trauma cases at work due to all manners of auto wrecks to not generalize.

[Duckie]

So your friends wait 3 hours after smoking to drive? They dont do crack, meth, heroine, lsd, or shrooms all of which can very easily effect other people? I am not mad at you or your beliefs but merly trying to educate you. Do you download illegal music and or programs which makes artists and record companies less money? Have you ever broken the speed limit, not turned on your blinker, answered a cell phone call? All of these have about the same probabilty of causing a life ending accident, actually they are even more probable than a SMART streetrace causing an accident. Since you have never been part of this scene I guess you don't realize that many of the high stake races with cars that are actually fast are done on PRIVATE roads where someone is not going to be killed who is innocent. I don't condone what goes down on fridays and saturdays at all and I wish it would stop but that doesn't mean street racing should stop IMO. Not to mention it will never stop even if there were free tracks, so why not support the people who take as many precautions as possible?

[left footed whooten]

Originally Posted by Duckie

So your friends wait 3 hours after smoking to drive? They dont do crack, meth, heroine, lsd, or shrooms all of which can very easily effect other people? I am not mad at you or your beliefs but merly trying to educate you. Do you download illegal music and or programs which makes artists and record companies less money? Have you ever broken the speed limit, not turned on your blinker, answered a cell phone call? All of these have about the same probabilty of causing a life ending accident, actually they are even more probable than a SMART streetrace causing an accident. Since you have never been part of this scene I guess you don't realize that many of the high stake races with cars that are actually fast are done on PRIVATE roads where someone is not going to be killed who is innocent. I don't condone what goes down on fridays and saturdays at all and I wish it would stop but that doesn't mean street racing should stop IMO. Not to mention it will never stop even if there were free tracks, so why not support the people who take as many precautions as possible?

Nope. Those that I know don't wait three hours, and I think they are stupid and tell them so. Crack, meth....no, I won't befriend any folks of that sort, and driving while on a hallucinogen? Not even the dumbest of hippies that I know would do that. Illegal music? Not e-smart enough for that. Cell phone while driving? No, I'm anal about that one.
As far as backroads racing, I've done it, with a wicked fast rotary car I used to own when I was much younger and much dumber. I was part of 'this scene' though in a different area. Then I grew up, albeit after thirteen speeding tickets one year and many close calls of all sorts. A highschool friend destroyed his 68 Camaro and landed himself in the hospital after hitting a goat, yes a goat, on private road streetrace. I, too wish it would stop, and my previous posts still stand. They addressed the asshattery of the crowd that jams around the part of McCarran that I listed, the 'friday and saturday nighters'.
I'm never going to like any form of street racing, and that is that. You don't have to convert me or change my opinion...its like arguing politics or religion. People are different. We do what we do and don't what we don't. I just don't want to have to intubate or code you or any of your crew one day in the hospital.

[Duckie]

I don't have a crew nor am I down at CC. I have been there twice in 3 years. Just because I argue for them doesn't mean I am one of them. On that note, who wants some waffles? (#) (#) (#)

[MPREZIV]

Originally Posted by Duckie

As long as the person acknowledges they are doing something illegal and they must accept the consequences for it then whats wrong with it.

The illegal part. And the risking someone else's life part. I'm sure the guys in the affore mentioned accident FULLY believed that they were being "smart" about street racing, and that they were on a "deserted" street... until someone pulled out in front of them.

[JonnydaJibba]

Originally Posted by WRXRallyBlue

Agreed. I'm not ashamed to admit that I go down to Circuit City on the weekends and hang out with some friends. Doesn't make me a douchebag streetracer for doing so.

Well as long as your aren't tearing around Kietzke and Virgina at 100 miles an hour when you leave it's cool. There is nothin wrong with hanging out in a parking lot and talking cars...we do it every Thursday. But when we are done we don't go tearin ass all over the place (well not usually, there's a thread round here somewheres).

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by Duckie

If you think that there arent people who irresponsable on tracks then you have a very scewed view. There are idiots no matter where you go and that will never change.

There are a few irresponsible people who get out on tracks, but they typically aren't tolerated for very long. There are also no innocent drivers & bystanders to hit on racetracks.

[khail19]

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

There are also no innocent drivers & bystanders to hit on racetracks.

Or farm animals...

[khail19]

Originally Posted by MPREZIV

The illegal part. And the risking someone else's life part. I'm sure the guys in the affore mentioned accident FULLY believed that they were being "smart" about street racing, and that they were on a "deserted" street... until someone pulled out in front of them.

This is right on, everyone thinks they are being safe until it's too late. There are too many uncontrolled variables in street racing for it to be safe. No matter what precautions are taken, accidents can and do happen all the time.

[MikeK]

Originally Posted by khail19

Or farm animals...

There were horses on the track at reno-fernley raceway on saturday

[khail19]

Originally Posted by MikeK

There were horses on the track at reno-fernley raceway on saturday

See, if they can't keep farm animals off the racetracks, how can you keep them off of public streets?

[Kevin M]

Originally Posted by khail19

See, if they can't keep farm animals off the racetracks, how can you keep them off of public streets?

Let the street racers run them over, and the Darwinian process will result in both fewer farm animals dumb enough to wander onto pavement, and fewer street rcers dumb enough to...

well, fewer dumb farm animals anyway.

[sperry]

When was the last time a "well planned" street race had emergency workers on standby?

Saturday at the track a WRX wagon went off course due to a brake failure. Kid plowed through 100 feet of runnoff and ended up in the weeds, which caught fire due to the hot headers under the car. The course worker was at the car in seconds with a fire extinguisher, and the fire truck was at the scene in about a minute or two and prevented the car from buring to the ground. And since the driver was wearing a helmet, he was awake when the car caught fire and able to get out quickly.

If that brake failure had happened at a street race, you'd be reading another post about someone burning to death.

Tell me again how well planned street races are.

[ArthurS]

Originally Posted by sperry

Saturday at the track a WRX wagon went off course due to a brake failure. Kid plowed through 100 feet of runnoff and ended up in the weeds, which caught fire due to the hot headers under the car. The course worker was at the car in seconds with a fire extinguisher, and the fire truck was at the scene in about a minute or two and prevented the car from buring to the ground. And since the driver was wearing a helmet, he was awake when the car caught fire and able to get out quickly.

Whoa. Props to the fast rescue. That would have been a scary sight to see.