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moose · 2007-10-08, 08:14 PM

where to find 21mm rear sway bars for an RS in Reno or any place cheap on the interweb?

Kevin M · 2007-10-09, 08:44 AM

Why 21? The 20mm bugeye WRX/STi RSB works great and doesn't require upgraded mounts.

JonnydaJibba · 2007-10-09, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

Why 21? The 20mm bugeye WRX/STi RSB works great and doesn't require upgraded mounts.

Cash money. You can get them for like 20 bucks round the web. EASILY the best bang for the buck mod that is on my car.

moose · 2007-10-09, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

Why 21? The 20mm bugeye WRX/STi RSB works great and doesn't require upgraded mounts.

Actually, I might do that then. It will still give me oversteer right? That is what I am looking for.

JonnydaJibba · 2007-10-09, 02:48 PM

Yes, it will give you much oversteer. The stock RS sway is 13mm, so it's a big difference.

moose · 2007-10-09, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JonnydaJibba

Yes, it will give you much oversteer. The stock RS sway is 13mm, so it's a big difference.

Sweet, now all I have to do is find a bug eye rsb.

cody · 2007-10-09, 02:55 PM

Careful, especially with Winter coming and all.

Kevin M · 2007-10-09, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by moose

Actually, I might do that then. It will still give me oversteer right? That is what I am looking for.

No, it won't give you "oversteer" but that's not actually what you're looking for anyway. don't listen to the dweebs on the internet who think you solve understeer (a front end grip issue) by reducing grip at the rear end.

Now, a rear sway bar is a good mod but it will NOT suddenly transform your car into an awesome corner carver. It just helps a bit. The real solution to your ishty stock handling is proper springs, or better yet coilovers.

sperry · 2007-10-09, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

No, it won't give you "oversteer" but that's not actually what you're looking for anyway. don't listen to the dweebs on the internet who think you solve understeer (a front end grip issue) by reducing grip at the rear end.

Now, a rear sway bar is a good mod but it will NOT suddenly transform your car into an awesome corner carver. It just helps a bit. The real solution to your ishty stock handling is proper springs, or better yet coilovers.

In fact, counterintuitively, a stiffer front bar also tends to help understeer due to the better dynamic camber on the front end.

The general rule of thumb, if the car pushes add front grip, if the car's loose, add rear grip. Taking away traction is what you do when you've tried everything else. 'Course, on a street car, there aren't a ton of things to try...

moose · 2007-10-09, 07:26 PM

Now, a rear sway bar is a good mod but it will NOT suddenly transform your car into an awesome corner carver. It just helps a bit. The real solution to your ishty stock handling is proper springs, or better yet coilovers.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I don't expect it to be a awesome corner carver, I just want a little bit better handling characteristics. I will eventually get some coilovers. When i get the money of course.

M3n2c3 · 2007-10-10, 10:38 AM

A bugeye 20mm will help with overall balance, though, since the front is 19mm. Good bang for 20 bucks.

A more expensive (and more effective) alternative is to replace both bars. I'm looking at Rallitek 22mm front and Cusco 22mm adj rear bars. I figure the combo will help front grip, and let me adjust rear balance for street and autox.

As far as front grip goes, there are some options available - such as anti-lift kits and front roll-center adjustment kits - that will definitely help but unfortunately bump you into SM at autox since they alter suspension geometry. . . and the only SM-competitive RS that I've seen is Cory's.

And you really don't have to go as far as coilovers to get better handling. A good spring/strut como would do you just fine for daily driving and autocross.

Kevin M · 2007-10-10, 12:40 PM

Skip the Cusco if you're buying new, you pay a premium for the name. Also, the ALK bumps you past SM and into Prepared. Roll-center adjustment is SM legal AFAIK though.

M3n2c3 · 2007-10-10, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

Also, the ALK bumps you past SM and into Prepared. Roll-center adjustment is SM legal AFAIK though.

That's right, I had forgotten the ALK wasn't even legal in SM.

I think both Rallitek and Gruppe-S have the Cusco RSB for ~$150, which pretty much matches it with the other usual brands. . .

Kevin M · 2007-10-10, 12:47 PM

Hey J, check your PMs.

And $150 is still significantly more than other 22mm adjustables.

M3n2c3 · 2007-10-10, 01:04 PM

It's always seemed to be about average when I shop around. . . Rallitek sells the Cusco for $150, Whiteline for $170, AVO for $190. Boxer4racing and rallysportdirect's prices are about $10-$20 higher, comparatively. Cobb's bar goes for about $180, and includes new mounts.

Unless we're talking about used vs. new, or comparing to something like Progress or Hotchkis, I think $150 for a Cusco bar is pretty good. . .

Kevin M · 2007-10-10, 01:21 PM

Wow, I didn't realize Whiteline had gotten so expensive, but I haven't been shopping for sway bars for a while. Damned exchange rate.

sperry · 2007-10-10, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

Wow, I didn't realize Whiteline had gotten so expensive, but I haven't been shopping for sway bars for a while. Damned exchange rate.

Yeah, back in '02 you could get front and rear WL bars for $170.

moose · 2007-10-10, 08:30 PM

Sweet, thanks for all the information guys.

2007-10-08, 08:14 PM	#1
moose EJ22 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 446 Car: 1998 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS Class: getting beat in DSP Pain doesn't affect me, I affect pain.	Hey does anyone know... where to find 21mm rear sway bars for an RS in Reno or any place cheap on the interweb? __________________ I hope that after I die, people will say of me: 'That guy sure owed me a lot of money!'"

2007-10-09, 08:44 AM	#2
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	Why 21? The 20mm bugeye WRX/STi RSB works great and doesn't require upgraded mounts. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2007-10-09, 02:48 PM	#5
JonnydaJibba EJ207 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Reno/Sparks, Nevada Posts: 3,482 Car: 2000 2.5RS Class: RestNPeace Master Slurper.	Yes, it will give you much oversteer. The stock RS sway is 13mm, so it's a big difference. __________________ "Why do chicks tell you to call and then not answer....so gay." "Cuz girls are fags I dunno"

2007-10-09, 02:55 PM	#7
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Careful, especially with Winter coming and all. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2007-10-09, 07:26 PM	#10
moose EJ22 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 446 Car: 1998 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS Class: getting beat in DSP Pain doesn't affect me, I affect pain.	Now, a rear sway bar is a good mod but it will NOT suddenly transform your car into an awesome corner carver. It just helps a bit. The real solution to your ishty stock handling is proper springs, or better yet coilovers.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I don't expect it to be a awesome corner carver, I just want a little bit better handling characteristics. I will eventually get some coilovers. When i get the money of course. __________________ I hope that after I die, people will say of me: 'That guy sure owed me a lot of money!'"

2007-10-10, 10:38 AM	#11
M3n2c3 EJ205 Real Name: Jeremiah Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dayton, NV Posts: 1,888 Car: 2005 Impreza 2.5RS, 2000 Forester L Class: RNP sometimes (see motto) "Kids are ruining autocross."	A bugeye 20mm will help with overall balance, though, since the front is 19mm. Good bang for 20 bucks. A more expensive (and more effective) alternative is to replace both bars. I'm looking at Rallitek 22mm front and Cusco 22mm adj rear bars. I figure the combo will help front grip, and let me adjust rear balance for street and autox. As far as front grip goes, there are some options available - such as anti-lift kits and front roll-center adjustment kits - that will definitely help but unfortunately bump you into SM at autox since they alter suspension geometry. . . and the only SM-competitive RS that I've seen is Cory's. And you really don't have to go as far as coilovers to get better handling. A good spring/strut como would do you just fine for daily driving and autocross. __________________ Small red text that looks curious at first glance but is ultimately inconsequential

2007-10-10, 12:40 PM	#12
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	Skip the Cusco if you're buying new, you pay a premium for the name. Also, the ALK bumps you past SM and into Prepared. Roll-center adjustment is SM legal AFAIK though. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2007-10-10, 12:47 PM	#14
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	Hey J, check your PMs. And $150 is still significantly more than other 22mm adjustables. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2007-10-10, 01:04 PM	#15
M3n2c3 EJ205 Real Name: Jeremiah Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dayton, NV Posts: 1,888 Car: 2005 Impreza 2.5RS, 2000 Forester L Class: RNP sometimes (see motto) "Kids are ruining autocross."	It's always seemed to be about average when I shop around. . . Rallitek sells the Cusco for $150, Whiteline for $170, AVO for $190. Boxer4racing and rallysportdirect's prices are about $10-$20 higher, comparatively. Cobb's bar goes for about $180, and includes new mounts. Unless we're talking about used vs. new, or comparing to something like Progress or Hotchkis, I think $150 for a Cusco bar is pretty good. . . __________________ Small red text that looks curious at first glance but is ultimately inconsequential

2007-10-10, 01:21 PM	#16
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	Wow, I didn't realize Whiteline had gotten so expensive, but I haven't been shopping for sway bars for a while. Damned exchange rate. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2007-10-10, 08:30 PM	#18
moose EJ22 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 446 Car: 1998 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS Class: getting beat in DSP Pain doesn't affect me, I affect pain.	Sweet, thanks for all the information guys. __________________ I hope that after I die, people will say of me: 'That guy sure owed me a lot of money!'"

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