Where to get Motul?

[MattR]

No, I didn't do a search...but where have you guys been ordering your motul brake fluid? Its time to change my brake fluid..anyone interested in going in on a case?

[sperry]

Originally Posted by MattR

No, I didn't do a search...but where have you guys been ordering your motul brake fluid? Its time to change my brake fluid..anyone interested in going in on a case?

I usually order it by the bottle direct from StopTech (www.stoptech.com) when I'm ordering pads. I don't know if they sell it by the case there. I'm in on half a case if you wanna split one!

Edit: looks like you can get it by the case there:

Motul RBF 600 High Performance Brake Fluid, 593 degrees F dry and 420 degrees F wet boiling points, DOT 4, 12 500ml bottles

$144.00 - Item No. 68-000-1012

They also have Super Blue... which might be a little more cost effective.

Ate Super Blue is a non-silicone high performance DOT 4 brake fluid designed for racing and street applications, 536 degress F dry and 392 degrees F wet boiling points, Case of 10 1 litre bottles

$99.50 - Item No. 68-000-1110

Kevin's run the super blue and liked it, but I believe he was going to give Motul a shot his next change...

So:

3 liters of Motul for $75/ea
or
5 liters of ATE Super Blue for $50/ea

I'm in for either!

[sperry]

Oh, and before Dean jumps in and mentions it...

For like $2.50 / bottle you can go by the Ford dealership and get theit DOT3 HP fluid. It's dirt cheap and performs well out of the bottle... however, I've noticed that a single autoX will kill it... I just flushed mine w/ the FR450 (I think that's what it's called) before Hawthorne, and I really could have used another bleed before last weekend's event. The Motul on the other hand seemed to last many events, and only require the occational bleed, instead of a full-on flushing. (But it *still* costs more! )

[Kevin M]

I'm running the SuperBlue, and no complaints whatsoever. But I came across a page on cc.com showing wet and dry boiling points for all the major synthetic brake fluids, and I'm actually going to try the Castrol stuff next. Motul is *almost* as good, but costs a lot.

Edit: The weakness (as far as I'm concerned anyway) of the Ford stuff is its pitiful wet boiling point. That's why you have to flush it so often. The first time you beat on it when it's fresh though, it's probably as good as anything else. Personally I'd pay the extra to get that much more life (and more peace of mind on the street).

[sperry]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

I'm running the SuperBlue, and no complaints whatsoever. But I came across a page on cc.com showing wet and dry boiling points for all the major synthetic brake fluids, and I'm actually going to try the Castrol stuff next. Motul is *almost* as good, but costs a lot.

Edit: The weakness (as far as I'm concerned anyway) of the Ford stuff is its pitiful wet boiling point. That's why you have to flush it so often. The first time you beat on it when it's fresh though, it's probably as good as anything else. Personally I'd pay the extra to get that much more life (and more peace of mind on the street).

Got a linky? I haven't heard anything about Castrol's brake fluid.

[Kevin M]

I was working on it.

Originally Posted by Jim Franks of CC.com

Here is a run down of various fluids and there boiling points.

Dry Boiling Point Wet Boiling Point Viscosity @ -40°C Viscosity @ 100°C
DOT 2 374°F N/A
DOT 3 401°F 284°F
DOT 4 446°F 311°F 1800 max 1.5 min
DOT 5
(silicone) 500°F 356°F
DOT 5.1
(non - silicone) 500°F 356°F
Castrol LMA DOT 3/4 446°F 311°F N/A N/A
Ford Heavy Duty DOT 3 550°F 290°F N/A N/A
ATE Super Blue Racing 536°F 392°F N/A N/A
ATE TYP 200 536°F 392°F N/A N/A
Motul Racing RBF 600 593°F 420°F N/A N/A
Motul DOT 5.1 N/A 365°F N/A N/A
Motul DOT 4 473°F 316°F N/A N/A
Motul DOT 3 462°F N/A N/A N/A
Prospeed GS610 610°F 421°F 1525 2.5
Castrol SRF 590°F 518°F N/A N/A
Performance Friction 550°F 284°F N/A N/A
AP551 527°F 302°F N/A N/A
AP600
(not DOT approved and not compatible with any other fluids)
572°F 410°F N/A N/A
Ferodo DOT 4 446°F 311°F N/A N/A
Ferodo DOT 5.1 500°F 356°F N/A N/A
Wilwood 570 570°F N/A N/A N/A

[Kevin M]

Upon further review.... nevermind! Castrol SRF is like $65+ per LITER!!!!1!!1!1!!! I will indeed be switching to Motul RBF next flush.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

Upon further review.... nevermind! Castrol SRF is like $65+ per LITER!!!!1!!1!1!!! I will indeed be switching to Motul RBF next flush.

:shock:

You're right about the Ford stuff.... it's great out of the bottle, but fades quickly as it gets wet... you'd think in dry-ass-hell Reno it'd last longer than is does, but alas, I constantly feel like it's time to bleed the brakes with that stuff in there. Hell, it's only 6deg away from haveing to be considered a DOT 2 fluid!

The Super Blue's wet point is actually 100deg higher than the Fords! :shock:

And with the Motul, I find that I overheat and fade my pads before I boil the fluid. But it's pricey... not Castrol SRF pricey, but you still feel it in the pocket book.

[MikeSTI]

I'm in for whats required? If that means bigger group buy or more splits to a case for cheaper price? how long sould break pads last? might need some new pads soon also :shock: 21K miles :shock:

[MattR]

All in know is my brakes need the fluid swapped, they are a bit too soft. The hardware's fine, they still stop great, but I can feel a bit too much sponginess to them...

[sperry]

So then.... we getting some fluid?

A case of ATE Super Blue is $100 from StopTech, anyone in on it with me, or know a cheaper place?

I know, I'll get a case then sell 1lt bottles to you fools for $10/each.

[MikeSTI]

I'm still in for some. I also would like to know if we can do a "mini tech day" to make sure all us noobies will be ready for the track day! I dont want to get there to be told I cant drive because I dont know how to check wear on the break pads

[MattR]

I suck and have not ordered anything, I will take care of that next week though. Good idea on the tech day though...we'll set that up

[sperry]

Originally Posted by MattR

I suck and have not ordered anything, I will take care of that next week though. Good idea on the tech day though...we'll set that up

Well, I need to order some rear brake pads for my car as well, want me to order the case of fluid too? We might save a little bit on shipping.

I'm just thinking that we should be able to find a case of ATE for less than $100 if we don't order from StopTech.

[MattR]

Sounds good, I have that one catalog that had the fluid for cheap, I think they had a website...I'll get that tonight...

[MikeSTI]

Originally Posted by MattR

Sounds good, I have that one catalog that had the fluid for cheap, I think they had a website...I'll get that tonight...

sounds good just let me know what I need and how much. Also is it good to install bleeders at the same time to save time in the future? Matt how hard is it to bleed the brakes in are cars?

[sperry]

Originally Posted by MattR

Sounds good, I have that one catalog that had the fluid for cheap, I think they had a website...I'll get that tonight...

Cool, lemme know if they sell Axxis Ultimate pads too! So far, StopTech seems to have good prices on pads, but I'd guess the fluid can be found for cheaper since I've seen other places sell the 1L bottles for less, just not the cases.

[Kevin M]

Guys, I have the hookup at Stoptech. If we get together and figure out exactly what we want I can save us some money. I already need to order pads and rotors all around for my car, and I'm actually going to switch to Motul RBF this time if any of you guys are interested.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

Guys, I have the hookup at Stoptech. If we get together and figure out exactly what we want I can save us some money. I already need to order pads and rotors all around for my car, and I'm actually going to switch to Motul RBF this time if any of you guys are interested.

I really like the Motul... best pedal feel evAr as far as all the fluids I've tried.

However, I've heard that the ATE is one of the best as far as resisting water seepage, while the Motul is very hydroscopic (though that's countered by it's very high wet boiling point). Plus the ATE is supposed to be almost as good as the Motul, and costs like half as much. So I figure it's gotta be the best bang for the buck.

Oh, and since they make the ATE in two colors (Super Blue and the 200 which is gold like the rest), you can do a complete system flush and be sure you got it all!

So Kevin, if you've got the hookup, I need a case of the ATE Super Blue (which I'll be happy to share at cost with anyone else that wants some), and two sets of rear Axxis Ultimates for an 02 WRX Sedan. And if your hook up is really that good, grab me a StopTech BBK for my car, red please!

[Kevin M]

I'm about to order pads and slotted rotors all around for my car, and I can get in on a case of Ate Type 200 if you aren't set on the blue stuff Scott, since I already have blue in my car. So far that makes 4 rotors, 4 sets of pads... who wants what else?

[sperry]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

I'm about to order pads and slotted rotors all around for my car, and I can get in on a case of Ate Type 200 if you aren't set on the blue stuff Scott, since I already have blue in my car. So far that makes 4 rotors, 4 sets of pads... who wants what else?

Crap, I wanted the blue stuff so I can flush mine. Ask 'em if they'd be willing to put a case of 5 blue and 5 gold together? It's all the same price IIRC.

And I just need two sets of rear 02 WRX Axxis Ultimates pads.

And I'm not kidding about the BBK, what kinda deal can you get on 'em? If you can get 'em at a significant discount, I'd love to have 'em on the car for the track day! Unless Dean will sell me Egan's, since he doesn't seem to be in any rush to put them on his car.

[MikeSTI]

I'm still in on the fluid! How much do I need? Blue would also be cool for me because I'm sure the stock stuff is gold.

[MattR]

Me too, I need fluid...I'll be happy with either one Scott.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by MikeSTI

I'm still in on the fluid! How much do I need? Blue would also be cool for me because I'm sure the stock stuff is gold.

One case is 10 liter bottles. 1 liter is plenty flush a car, but since it comes in metal cans, it'll last for a long-ass time on the shelf, I'd suggest 2 liters, one blue and one gold (assuming Kevin can get a split case), and you'll be set for you next two changes!

[MikeSTI]

Originally Posted by sperry

One case is 10 liter bottles. 1 liter is plenty flush a car, but since it comes in metal cans, it'll last for a long-ass time on the shelf, I'd suggest 2 liters, one blue and one gold (assuming Kevin can get a split case), and you'll be set for you next two changes!

Sounds great Scott thx for the info. Now I can say it - "put me down for 2 liters please"