Mud Meet in carson!
 

Hello everyone ! ;)

So does anyone know some really good spots to drive around on dirt/mud around carson ? i know there are 2 small lots near Costco , one of them has really fine soil (not too likely to kill your paint / rims) . would be fun to meet up. maybe take a few vids of peeps sliding around. discuss and practice techniques for low traction surfaces. esp if some peeps know of good dirt / gravel roads that don't require much ground clearance, and are not likely to have a lot of rocks to fly up and chip paint / rims. ;) its raining up here, not sure if its raining down in carson at all. if so could make for some fun mud .... :)

me ! (thinking maybe tonight, er this week ? i dunno)

Considering the poor cosmetic state of my car, I'd be down. Dunno anywhere close though that has flat non-abrasive roads. Maybe on the east side of 395 by Best Buy? I dunno.

Yeah there are some dirt roads around there. the traffic light Between 50 up to tahoe, and wallmart, if you go (east) away from best buy. you end up on some nice dirt roads, those are a lil suspension jarring (no major ruts or rocks) but there is a fair amount of small rock / gravel in those dirt roads.. (i'm not tooo fearful of paint damage, already have 1 rim pitted out and some scratches on my running boards) would prefer all sand / no rocks. but hey :)
too bad mapquest or what not does not label dirt / un paved roads. i know of 1 longer dirt road that wold be cool to rally on, but its Rough, and lots of pebbels on it . (out near the alpine county airport) -that's a fun place to take your car up to 100, 120, etc. when i get some cones and i can mark off where is 150 meters for breaking i'm gonna try to take my car up tot he govoner there. :) (if there is one anyone know the top speed for an 05 ? )

Hate to rain on your parade, but the Sheriff's department makes routine visits to that airport. They have had many cars go off the end of the runway doing exactly what you are thinking of doing. I went and talked with the airport authority about getting a special use permit so that we could do a track day test and tune senario out there.

A friend of mine and another guy ran off the end of the runway go very fast. Their vehicle ended up at the bottom of the ravine behind the ruinway. Luckily they didn't get hurt, but it did start a fire. Let me put it this way, they got into a lot of trouble.

Do you work at Roundhill by the old TRPA building with a Blue STi??

UH OH , :O spotted. :P lol yarr

aparently they didn't set up any sort of cones, to indicated when they needed to hit the brakes , which is why i would set up some cones before attempting that, and yeah i was thinking of doing exactly that. i've already been out there a few times i went to one end and rougly measured the distance with the trip meter and knew after .3 hundreds that it was past a 1/4 mile and , that i'de need to hit the brakes. (that has you brakes WAY early ) but better safe then sorry.

sucks that the coppers go out there, it looks like its public use land though? a park. so my thinking was that since its not a public highway / roadway i wouldn't be able to get a speeding ticket , while driving fast on the run way. (damn cops should consider how far i'm going out of my way to NOT be a public threat) should be able to live dangerously , we are in america right ? lol maybe the constitution got revoked i haven't been watching the news really.

but yeah that's me, so what color is your STI ? i've probably seen you driving around too.

eeks. :( so you could get into trouble just for driving on the closed, now public lands airport ? (or is it actually still open) ?? everything i could find info wise says its a public park now ... (i could be very wrong though) :(

way better to find out before i get the coppers on me. however i am WAY Bummed to hear what i thought was legal, may not be. :(

Reckless driving is reckless driving. Hell, I bet there's a loop hole that would let them stop you from driving like that on your own property if they really wanted to.

We really should look into finding out what it would take to sanction an event there... the SCCA could always use another place to race!

I've spoken to Dave and John about it at length, they said they considered it years ago, but there is simply not enough room to run an event.

ya it would have to be a 1/4 mile only race. Unless You wanted to include the '4wd road' (name of it on mapquest) as part of the course. and its dirt with gravel, some ruts and rocks that i slowed down to about 1 mph to ride over ... basically you probably don't want to race on it unless you want to really work your shocks, and wheels, maybe paint too :P .

i guess i should find the legal definition of wreckless. ethically and logically its not wreckless driving if there is no other persons, or property to damage. I own my own life and should be able to do what the hell i want as long as i don't harm others or put them in any risk. if the law is written in the usual Statist - nazi style, ya its probably any time you go more then 20 mph over (it may state on a public road ) and an airport is not a public road.
okay here is the law. i think i'm in the clear

NRS 484.377 Reckless driving; penalty for willful or wanton disregard for safety causing death or substantial bodily harm; additional penalties.

1. It is unlawful for a person to:

(a) Drive a vehicle in willful or wanton disregard of the safety of persons or property.
(b) Drive a vehicle in an unauthorized speed contest on a public highway.

if its not public highway, and i've taken specific care to insure there are no persons or property to damage. its not illegal. the cops can go do something useful like preventing some theft or a violent crime ;)

it may be tresspassing (which would definatly make me certain its not a public highway) and tresspassing is like $60 missdonminear, shit i'll take 1 per day to drive 100 legally :) wooooot !

full NV wreckless driving law (sounds rather reasonable as there has to be someone in harms way- not sure if they count the driver- they shouldn't)

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-4...l#NRS484Sec377

NRS 484.377 Reckless driving; penalty for willful or wanton disregard for safety causing death or substantial bodily harm; additional penalties.

1. It is unlawful for a person to:

(a) Drive a vehicle in willful or wanton disregard of the safety of persons or property.

(b) Drive a vehicle in an unauthorized speed contest on a public highway.

Ê A violation of this subsection or subsection 1 of NRS 484.348 constitutes reckless driving.

2. Unless a greater penalty is provided pursuant to subsection 4 of NRS 484.348, a person who does any act or neglects any duty imposed by law while driving or in actual physical control of any vehicle in willful or wanton disregard of the safety of persons or property, if the act or neglect of duty proximately causes the death of or substantial bodily harm to a person other than himself, is guilty of a category B felony and shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a minimum term of not less than 1 year and a maximum term of not more than 6 years, or by a fine of not more than $5,000, or by both fine and imprisonment.

3. A person who violates any provision of this section may be subject to the additional penalty set forth in NRS 484.3667 unless the person is subject to the penalty provided pursuant to subsection 4 of NRS 484.348.

(Added to NRS by 1969, 1486; A 1981, 866; 1983, 1015; 1993, 524; 1995, 1298; 2003, 487, 3244)

Um... Wreckless driving is *good*. Reckless driving is *bad*.

yarr, well i can't spell. :P reckless sorry :P lmao ... i type better asp or c then i do english, its not my fault :P well okay it is :) i'de go and edit my spelling, but then others will miss out ... :P doh ...

so anywayz. any good mud pits / dirt streets in carson? reno ? :) is the parking lot next to costco (that big dirt one) privately owned? is the dirt field suppost to be the park? hmmf. i'm tempted to shoot down there and mud it up :) woohoo hehe

Ha Ha! You scare me with your willingness to bash the hell out of your STI! Shit, if I had one, which I cannot afford, I think I'd be standing by it all night with a shotgun to keep people from leaving me door dings! Def. not flying down dirt roads at a hundred mph!

More power to you dude! Just be careful! I'd hate to hear that you binned it flying down some by-road somewhere!

I miss the good old days when RS owners would encourage such jackassery in the WRX and STI owners, then call dibs on the drivetrain.

Dibs on the drivetrain if he bins it!!!!!!!111

Really though, I am all for good fun, but don't wanna see anybody HURT!

The more donor WRX/STIs out there, the more likely I am to have a turbo motor swap soon... Muuhaa haa haaaa!

I think part of the problem these days is that most RS owners only have an RS because they couldn't afford a WRX or STi in the first place, and don't have the funds to buy parts off the wrecked car anyway. :lol:

New age RS = poor man's wannabe STi. :P

haven't hit 100 on a dirt road. snowy with gravel. (which did ding up one of my rims really really bad) :( it got my running board a slight bit. i sorta dought that's alone is gonna free up a turbo or tranny for anyone. now if i spin off into a tree :P now there's some parts.. *knocks on wood* only once have i had the car out of my control (so far) :) well have to see :| eeeks ! :)

You're comfortable bashing up a $32,000 car like that? Damn. Mine barely cost me $17,000 and I have a little fit every time I get a new ding. My latest are paint chips on the hood and a chip in the windshield (I was attacked on i80 to Sac by a vicious Californian Flying Rock). :P

Who said anything like crashing ? tell me, if you don't think its possible to drive the sti at say 70, or 100 with out crashing, why do you want to buy one ? ;) just stay with the RS 2.5 .
i dunno, there are 2 ways to look at it.
1) you made a 32K investment and its your precious, nothing bad must happen to it, keep it garaged, with a car cover and don't drive it in any adverse conditions (snow ,dirt, RAIN) . the org owner of my car was that way . no rain driving...
2) you just spent 32K you better get every last pennies worth of enjoyment, drive it fast and hard, drive it on snow, dirt, wet tarmac, Enjoy the worlds best AWD system in actual low traction envoirnments.

some peeps are #1, some are #2. some are a blend. sounds like you are a #1 ;) nothing wrong with that. to each his own. if all i was worried about was the $$$ i would have bought like 10K of gold 3 months ago (which would be 12,500 today) and kept my wrx. but i'de rather spend that cash on enjoyment, which means driving on snow / dirt / wet tarmac, and as fast as is safe to me and to others. ( you may not be able to guess this about me, but i just bare ever ever ever go over 25 in a residential. kids and peeps walking about) get into a much safer setting and i'll go faster.

or maybe you are basically saying i can't control my car , :p at least you speak your mind. freedom of speach baby ! but yer dead wrong :P lol but stay true to yourself and your opions ;) sometimes i like being told i can't :)
lol what a long rant of mine.. i'm waiting on buddies to go snowboarding with. they don't have an sti and need like 40 minutes to cover 4 miles in the snow :( ARG

btw i'm not saying i burn every last dollar i have. i save about 24% of my income for retirement, pay bills, pay taxes, then i burn the rest :) (gas, oil, tires, video games, etc) :) and lately its cheaper to just burn ones than gas to heat my apt :P

"than"

That was when most RS owners had an RS because they prefered them to a WRX/STI. Now most RS owners have one because they can't afford a WRX/STI.

If I buy an STI, I will beat the crap out of it.

I don't know if I like emoticons.

My choices in '02 were: Ugly ass bug-eyed WRX, or sexy as hell, slightly slower RS for half the price... I could have afforded a rex, but got the RS used with 18k miles on it from a friend for only $12k!!!

If I had been in the market for a new car in '04 let's say, then I would have ended up with a rex, because I couldn't afford an STI, and wouldn't have bought an RS looking like that!

If I'm gonna drive an ugly car, it better at least be turbo! (No offense Jeremiah!) Hey, call me Shallow Hal.

My choices in '02 were a new bugeye for $25k, or an '01 RS for $24k. The dealer was pretty proud of their non-turbo used car. :roll:

That essentially proves my point right?

That's $5k more than I paid for mine brand new, haha.

I work on the side for an Architect thats in the building just up the parking lot from were your car is always parked. You used to have a silver WRX, then all of a sudden your Blue STI showed up. I seen some dude and a chick standing outside that office smoking one time. Was that you?

Anyway, I drive a Silver 05 STi.

As for the Airport up there, there is a sign at the parking lot that strictly prohibits unlawfull vehicle access. If I remember correctly, there is a code listed. Also, remember that airport is in Killafornia. So God only knows what they can and will do to you for messing around on their pretty much private airport. And yes, they still use it. I think a federal agency has juridiction over it. (FAA?)

I'm not saying I wouldn't get my money's worth, just that I'd be much more concerned about heading out to relatively uncontrolled areas looking for trouble. The cost of replacing body paneling and pricey BBS rims can add up fast.

*waves* Yep. :P Although I could afford one now that my wife is working. Back in June, an RS was my only option. Oh well.

Ahaha. I don't have a snappy comeback to that one, so I'll concede. Cheap-ass '05 Impreza FTL :lol:

Are you paying a mortgage or renting?

I bought my car (02 RS) December of 2002, and only paid $15K with 12,000 miles on it. $24K for an 01 is ridiculous no matter what.

^^^ No kidding! I would NOT have paid 24k for my car! Crap!



Yes JC, that exactly proves your point! :D

Especially considering that they went for 19k new......

Well, you park a nearly new, excellent condition GC body next to a new GD body, then tell the world "the turbo Impreza is finally out" and you see what the general public thinks.

Remember, no on knew anything about Imprezas back then. Also, the sticker on the WRX I bought was $29.5k after the dealer markup. An '01 w/ a $24k sticker seems cheap.

What are you talking about no one knew anything about Imprezas back then? It was only 5 years ago that the bugeyes came out, and I have had my car since before then so... :?:

Um, weren't there a whopping 4000 2.5RS's sold in '01? Yeah, I'd say not many people knew about them.

In fact, I bet 90% of people know what they are today only because of the WRX.

I bet you are Right Sperry . i hadn't heard of an impreza until the wrx came out. and then i promptly bought a lowely pile of impreza vintage 96 known as brighton.. 1.8L 115 hp 115 Tq. 5 speed. no tac, no power anything. as any subaru, it was good in the snow. i hope its still running for the guy who bought it from me . (some Thomas guy who seemed nice)

Ditto, plus I was $2k upside down on my truck. :lol:

Very true. I remember causing whiplash driving past parking lots and gas stations when my RS was new, and that was in the 4st model year. Then I had two different insurance adjustors try to tell me that my aftermarket hood and bumper wouldn't be covered. The second time was last August. :lol: I miss the complete lack of recognition of the RS by the general public. Even people who were somewhat in the know thought it was an imported WRX.

It's just the blanket statement of "Remember, no one knew anything about Imprezas back then." But that only bothers me because everything I read on the internet is true.

AAAH That silver STI . ya i was dieing driving into work , and seeing this STI in the same parking lot time and time again. had to buy one (i had just paid off my WRX)

we need to find the guy around tahoe in the black sti, and then all drive around er something... :P

And Hell yeah, i proudly rent ;) (didn't know to buy 5 years ago, and the prices are way to inflated now, re will crash, i'll invest in stocks & gold and buy re when the cycle is in a low, lol not a high) :)

and nope i'm not one of the smokers. i look like Jesus :P if you've seen me, you know. :)

and Crap that is california. Aha they have like the same law

Every person who drives a vehicle upon a street or highway in willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property is guilty of a violation of California Vehicle Code §23103 (a), a misdemeanor. Willful or wanton disregard means an intentional or conscious disregard for the safety of persons or property.

In order to prove this crime, each of the following elements must be proved:

1. A person drove a vehicle upon a street or highway
2. At the time, the driver did so with an intentional or conscious disregard for the safety of persons or property.

tresspassing is like a $90 fine. i will pay the $90 to drive in a safe setting such 3/4 of a mile of tarmac with no other cars, or private property to damage. (maybe somehow you could damage the actual tarmac itself ?)
if its an airport its not a street or a highway , its a privately owned plot of tarmac. :)
i dunno , we all die right? did something change? no? okay , think i'll have a little fun before i kick it . guess i could try and contact the owners and see if they are okay with me driving there, maybe offer them $20 a visit. (then it's all legal and what not)

anyone have their contact info ?

That's good old Scott "blanket statement" Perry. Don't worry he does that all the time, then gets incensed when someone calls him on it. I just try to remember that back when I bought my RS, he thought his american boat was a performance car.

Just save your $90 fine and do some test and tune days at RFR(Fernley).

That might be missing the point of this thread though.

Its on that sign I mentioned.

Can I get you something for your inflamitory statements?

http://www.77canadapharmacy.com/imag...00/A170059.jpg

:roll:

Oh and...

1996 Ford Thunderbird LX V8 7.9s (0-60)
1991 Subaru Legacy Sport Sedan 8.5s (0-60)
2001 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS 7.8s (0-60)

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html
http://www.modernracer.com/history/s...rshistory.html

I guess 0.1s makes the difference between a "performance car" and a "non-performance car". What's it like driving the absolutely slowest "performance car" possible JC?

oh . so i should obviously just drive out there for it ;) sweet. lol
hey what were YOU doing there? tresspasing i see :P out for a bit of reckless driving are we ? :P ;) *sniffle* i'm so proud !

i could always try to tell a cop i figured with my wing in back if just got up to speed i could take off ... well maybe not :P

:roll: right back at you buddy

2002 Cadillac Escalade EXT 7.9 (0-60)

Maybe there is something more to being a performance car than 0-60? Naw couldn't be. I would not consider my wagon a "performance car."

I had a 96 impreza brighton. they go around. cornering still feels good in them. (a bit of body roll, but from the more i'm learning that may actually help ya )
and yarr, the Impreza went from Unkwown to super star ! ;)

Crap I can't see this...........I think I need my glasses; is it Blue?

Yeah, I went for a cruise to see how long it was. Whats funny is that there is a hiking trail on the other side of the runway. HUMM.

I might make it down to the meeting tonight. (3-02-06) So, if you are there. I will be the only one with red hair.