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bigrobwoot 2009-02-21 05:02 PM

2005 RS Delta Cam install
 
Can anyone tell me of a good shop to get my cams and flywheel installed for a good price? Maybe an estimate of what it would cost? Or talk me into doing it myself? Haha. Thanks!

100_Percent_Juice 2009-02-21 05:15 PM

are you doing a new clutch or just the flywheel?

bigrobwoot 2009-02-22 01:11 PM

I was thinking just the flywheel. The current clutch only has ~40k miles on it. Now that I see that in writing tho, maybe a new clutch too lol

100_Percent_Juice 2009-02-22 01:31 PM

I would wait until the clutch goes bad before you fork out the cash or spend the time to do the flywheel.

Kevin M 2009-02-22 03:19 PM

Flywheels are totally worth it. If you drive like a n00b, do the clutch now. If you're nice to it, no need to get the replacement yet.

bigrobwoot 2009-02-22 05:09 PM

Well I figure the engine will be pulled or at least seperated from the tranny for the cams, and I have a flywheel already.

MPREZIV 2009-02-23 09:54 AM

$600 for the cam install alone. Does NOT include adjusting the lifters, if needed. The engine should not need to come out or be separated from the trans for any reason, to put the cams in. It'd be another $500 to pull the trans and put the flywheel in.

Dean 2009-02-23 10:26 AM

I would assume lifter buckets are going to have to be changed with new cams. I may be wrong, but I would assume lash from cam to cam is not identical. At minimum, they are going to have to be checked.

sperry 2009-02-23 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean (Post 128765)
I would assume lifter buckets are going to have to be changed with new cams. I may be wrong, but I would assume lash from cam to cam is not identical. At minimum, they are going to have to be checked.

+1.

The cheapest/easiest way to do this properly is to pull the heads off the motor in your own garage (which I believe isn't too hard as long as you have stock head bolts instead of ARP head studs or something that would require pulling the motor out).

Then take the heads to a machine shop. Have them clean 'em up, install and lash the new cams... should be around $300-$400 in labor. Then install the heads back on the motor yourself.

I can't imagine how much of a PITA it would be to setup the heads for the new cams with the heads still in the car. Then again, I've always paid someone for that sort of work so I don't personally know how hard it is... but even with the heads off the car, it's booked as a 4 hour job or so IIRC.

bigrobwoot 2009-02-23 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MPREZIV (Post 128762)
$600 for the cam install alone. Does NOT include adjusting the lifters, if needed. The engine should not need to come out or be separated from the trans for any reason, to put the cams in. It'd be another $500 to pull the trans and put the flywheel in.

Sweet baby Jesus. I guess that convinced me to do it myself lol. Has anyone here done it before? Any tips? I thought I read that it was way easier to do it if you pulled the engine out about 6 inches, and I assumed that meant seperate it from the tranny first. There's a walkthrough on RS25 that I browsed, but I'll read it a few times before I attempt it. I kinda want someone who has done it before there with me, if I could talk anyone into it ;)

Sperry: that sounds like a good idea, can you give me the name of a shop or shops that I could take the heads to?

100_Percent_Juice 2009-02-23 01:33 PM

I think it would probably be easier to just pull the trans. I know I looked into that when I did my clutch and when I mentioned the engine method to Cory I think he said "F**k no, just do it the regular way." I think it would be even faster for you since there is not intercooler and turbo to work around. Either way I wouldn't mind helping you... since I am going to be taking my trans out again soon and might need an extra pair of hands. ;)

cody 2009-02-23 01:47 PM

You big winkers, you.

Kevin M 2009-02-23 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 100_Percent_Juice (Post 128807)
I think it would probably be easier to just pull the trans. I know I looked into that when I did my clutch and when I mentioned the engine method to Cory I think he said "F**k no, just do it the regular way." I think it would be even faster for you since there is not intercooler and turbo to work around. Either way I wouldn't mind helping you... since I am going to be taking my trans out again soon and might need an extra pair of hands. ;)

I have an engine lift and stand; I don't have a car lift, tranny jack, or upper body strength. I'd do the engine method if I was doing it at home, but I'd expect an actual mechanic (or just somebody with access to a lift) to do it that way.

bigrobwoot 2009-02-23 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100_Percent_Juice (Post 128807)
I think it would probably be easier to just pull the trans. I know I looked into that when I did my clutch and when I mentioned the engine method to Cory I think he said "F**k no, just do it the regular way." I think it would be even faster for you since there is not intercooler and turbo to work around. Either way I wouldn't mind helping you... since I am going to be taking my trans out again soon and might need an extra pair of hands. ;)

My roommate has a tranny jack he said he wouldn't mind lending. He said you need really tall jackstands for it tho. I'm one hell of a helper, but chances are I don't know what I'm doing, so I need explicit directons. When did you plan on pulling your tranny? I'm free Friday or Saturday. Why are you pulling it?

bigrobwoot 2009-02-23 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin M (Post 128812)
I have an engine lift and stand; I don't have a car lift, tranny jack, or upper body strength.

lol

MPREZIV 2009-02-23 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin M (Post 128812)
I have an engine lift and stand; I don't have a car lift, tranny jack, or upper body strength. I'd do the engine method if I was doing it at home, but I'd expect an actual mechanic (or just somebody with access to a lift) to do it that way.

Oh it's not that heavy! I just did an 07 WRX clutch two weeks ago on my back, on jack stands. I charged a LOT for it tho! :D

sperry 2009-02-23 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MPREZIV (Post 128821)
Oh it's not that heavy! I just did an 07 WRX clutch two weeks ago on my back, on jack stands. I charged a LOT for it tho! :D

Cory's a tranny lifting beast!* Ask him about the time he dead lifted my 6MT into place! ;)



*insert joke here

100_Percent_Juice 2009-02-23 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrobwoot (Post 128819)
My roommate has a tranny jack he said he wouldn't mind lending. He said you need really tall jackstands for it tho. I'm one hell of a helper, but chances are I don't know what I'm doing, so I need explicit directons. When did you plan on pulling your tranny? I'm free Friday or Saturday. Why are you pulling it?

Yeah I don't know where I am going to get the bigger jack stands from. I think my dad has a pair that he uses for his F-350 so I would need to find 2 more. My trans needs a second gear and I don't have all the parts yet so I am just going to take my time with the removal since I have another car I can drive in the meantime. When are you planning on doing your flywheel? Here is the DIY that I read over and over again to help when we did my clutch. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1324240

100_Percent_Juice 2009-02-23 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperry (Post 128822)
Cory's a tranny lifting beast!* Ask him about the time he dead lifted my 6MT into place! ;)



*insert joke here

How can you dead lift and transmission into place? I can tell you workout.:P

bigrobwoot 2009-02-23 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100_Percent_Juice (Post 128824)
Yeah I don't know where I am going to get the bigger jack stands from. I think my dad has a pair that he uses for his F-350 so I would need to find 2 more. My trans needs a second gear and I don't have all the parts yet so I am just going to take my time with the removal since I have another car I can drive in the meantime. When are you planning on doing your flywheel? Here is the DIY that I read over and over again to help when we did my clutch. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1324240

My buddy has some jackstands for his truck he'll let me borrow. For sure 2 of 'em. I don't know when I plan on doing my flywheel though, I've had it since the summer, so waiting isn't a big deal. Maybe next weekend or something. Were you planning on doing your tranny this weekend?

100_Percent_Juice 2009-02-23 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrobwoot (Post 128836)
My buddy has some jackstands for his truck he'll let me borrow. For sure 2 of 'em. I don't know when I plan on doing my flywheel though, I've had it since the summer, so waiting isn't a big deal. Maybe next weekend or something. Were you planning on doing your tranny this weekend?

Its kind of one of those "when I feel like it" type of jobs and today I just don't feel like it. Next week isn't looking so good either.:lol:

bigrobwoot 2009-02-23 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 100_Percent_Juice (Post 128839)
Its kind of one of those "when I feel like it" type of jobs and today I just don't feel like it. Next week isn't looking so good either.:lol:

Haha that's how I feel about my flywheel and cams, mostly cuz I don't know what I'm doing. This weekend is gonna be my rear sway, and then enjoying the sway. Maybe next weekend will be the time for the flywheel, and tranny fluid. Nothing needs to be replaced when I do the flywheel right? Because there's all the gaskets and stuff for the cams. Maybe I should do tranny mounts... Something is squeaky when my car is idling, and I figured it was engine mounts or tranny mounts, but what do I know lol. Maybe I could do a short throw shifter too. Can anyone tell I got a student loan check?? Haha

100_Percent_Juice 2009-02-23 06:55 PM

I don't see any need to replace those mounts especially since you only have 40k on the car. A short shifter is definitely an easy/cheap/quick project and yields instant awesomeness.

bigrobwoot 2009-02-23 07:29 PM

The car has 61k on it. I got the tranny replaced at ~20k because I drove like an idiot in hs in the winter. Michael Hohl told my parents that my clutch was gone and I should replace it then while the car was already apart. Tranny was under warranty, clutch wasn't. I was young and stupid...

SteveM 2009-02-24 01:58 PM

[insert joke]I'd rather lift trannys than jack them.[/insert joke]

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperry (Post 128822)
Cory's a tranny lifting beast!* Ask him about the time he dead lifted my 6MT into place! ;)



*insert joke here



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