2005 RS Delta Cam install - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

bigrobwoot · 2009-02-21, 05:02 PM

Can anyone tell me of a good shop to get my cams and flywheel installed for a good price? Maybe an estimate of what it would cost? Or talk me into doing it myself? Haha. Thanks!

100_Percent_Juice · 2009-02-21, 05:15 PM

are you doing a new clutch or just the flywheel?

bigrobwoot · 2009-02-22, 01:11 PM

I was thinking just the flywheel. The current clutch only has ~40k miles on it. Now that I see that in writing tho, maybe a new clutch too lol

100_Percent_Juice · 2009-02-22, 01:31 PM

I would wait until the clutch goes bad before you fork out the cash or spend the time to do the flywheel.

Kevin M · 2009-02-22, 03:19 PM

Flywheels are totally worth it. If you drive like a n00b, do the clutch now. If you're nice to it, no need to get the replacement yet.

bigrobwoot · 2009-02-22, 05:09 PM

Well I figure the engine will be pulled or at least seperated from the tranny for the cams, and I have a flywheel already.

MPREZIV · 2009-02-23, 09:54 AM

$600 for the cam install alone. Does NOT include adjusting the lifters, if needed. The engine should not need to come out or be separated from the trans for any reason, to put the cams in. It'd be another $500 to pull the trans and put the flywheel in.

Dean · 2009-02-23, 10:26 AM

I would assume lifter buckets are going to have to be changed with new cams. I may be wrong, but I would assume lash from cam to cam is not identical. At minimum, they are going to have to be checked.

sperry · 2009-02-23, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean

I would assume lifter buckets are going to have to be changed with new cams. I may be wrong, but I would assume lash from cam to cam is not identical. At minimum, they are going to have to be checked.

+1.

The cheapest/easiest way to do this properly is to pull the heads off the motor in your own garage (which I believe isn't too hard as long as you have stock head bolts instead of ARP head studs or something that would require pulling the motor out).

Then take the heads to a machine shop. Have them clean 'em up, install and lash the new cams... should be around $300-$400 in labor. Then install the heads back on the motor yourself.

I can't imagine how much of a PITA it would be to setup the heads for the new cams with the heads still in the car. Then again, I've always paid someone for that sort of work so I don't personally know how hard it is... but even with the heads off the car, it's booked as a 4 hour job or so IIRC.

bigrobwoot · 2009-02-23, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MPREZIV

$600 for the cam install alone. Does NOT include adjusting the lifters, if needed. The engine should not need to come out or be separated from the trans for any reason, to put the cams in. It'd be another $500 to pull the trans and put the flywheel in.

Sweet baby Jesus. I guess that convinced me to do it myself lol. Has anyone here done it before? Any tips? I thought I read that it was way easier to do it if you pulled the engine out about 6 inches, and I assumed that meant seperate it from the tranny first. There's a walkthrough on RS25 that I browsed, but I'll read it a few times before I attempt it. I kinda want someone who has done it before there with me, if I could talk anyone into it

Sperry: that sounds like a good idea, can you give me the name of a shop or shops that I could take the heads to?

100_Percent_Juice · 2009-02-23, 01:33 PM

I think it would probably be easier to just pull the trans. I know I looked into that when I did my clutch and when I mentioned the engine method to Cory I think he said "F**k no, just do it the regular way." I think it would be even faster for you since there is not intercooler and turbo to work around. Either way I wouldn't mind helping you... since I am going to be taking my trans out again soon and might need an extra pair of hands.

cody · 2009-02-23, 01:47 PM

You big winkers, you.

Kevin M · 2009-02-23, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 100_Percent_Juice

I think it would probably be easier to just pull the trans. I know I looked into that when I did my clutch and when I mentioned the engine method to Cory I think he said "F**k no, just do it the regular way." I think it would be even faster for you since there is not intercooler and turbo to work around. Either way I wouldn't mind helping you... since I am going to be taking my trans out again soon and might need an extra pair of hands.

I have an engine lift and stand; I don't have a car lift, tranny jack, or upper body strength. I'd do the engine method if I was doing it at home, but I'd expect an actual mechanic (or just somebody with access to a lift) to do it that way.

bigrobwoot · 2009-02-23, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 100_Percent_Juice

I think it would probably be easier to just pull the trans. I know I looked into that when I did my clutch and when I mentioned the engine method to Cory I think he said "F**k no, just do it the regular way." I think it would be even faster for you since there is not intercooler and turbo to work around. Either way I wouldn't mind helping you... since I am going to be taking my trans out again soon and might need an extra pair of hands.

My roommate has a tranny jack he said he wouldn't mind lending. He said you need really tall jackstands for it tho. I'm one hell of a helper, but chances are I don't know what I'm doing, so I need explicit directons. When did you plan on pulling your tranny? I'm free Friday or Saturday. Why are you pulling it?

bigrobwoot · 2009-02-23, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin M

I have an engine lift and stand; I don't have a car lift, tranny jack, or upper body strength.

lol

MPREZIV · 2009-02-23, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin M

I have an engine lift and stand; I don't have a car lift, tranny jack, or upper body strength. I'd do the engine method if I was doing it at home, but I'd expect an actual mechanic (or just somebody with access to a lift) to do it that way.

Oh it's not that heavy! I just did an 07 WRX clutch two weeks ago on my back, on jack stands. I charged a LOT for it tho!

sperry · 2009-02-23, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MPREZIV

Oh it's not that heavy! I just did an 07 WRX clutch two weeks ago on my back, on jack stands. I charged a LOT for it tho!

Cory's a tranny lifting beast!* Ask him about the time he dead lifted my 6MT into place!

*insert joke here

100_Percent_Juice · 2009-02-23, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrobwoot

My roommate has a tranny jack he said he wouldn't mind lending. He said you need really tall jackstands for it tho. I'm one hell of a helper, but chances are I don't know what I'm doing, so I need explicit directons. When did you plan on pulling your tranny? I'm free Friday or Saturday. Why are you pulling it?

Yeah I don't know where I am going to get the bigger jack stands from. I think my dad has a pair that he uses for his F-350 so I would need to find 2 more. My trans needs a second gear and I don't have all the parts yet so I am just going to take my time with the removal since I have another car I can drive in the meantime. When are you planning on doing your flywheel? Here is the DIY that I read over and over again to help when we did my clutch. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1324240

100_Percent_Juice · 2009-02-23, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

Cory's a tranny lifting beast!* Ask him about the time he dead lifted my 6MT into place!

*insert joke here

How can you dead lift and transmission into place? I can tell you workout.

bigrobwoot · 2009-02-23, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 100_Percent_Juice

Yeah I don't know where I am going to get the bigger jack stands from. I think my dad has a pair that he uses for his F-350 so I would need to find 2 more. My trans needs a second gear and I don't have all the parts yet so I am just going to take my time with the removal since I have another car I can drive in the meantime. When are you planning on doing your flywheel? Here is the DIY that I read over and over again to help when we did my clutch. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1324240

My buddy has some jackstands for his truck he'll let me borrow. For sure 2 of 'em. I don't know when I plan on doing my flywheel though, I've had it since the summer, so waiting isn't a big deal. Maybe next weekend or something. Were you planning on doing your tranny this weekend?

100_Percent_Juice · 2009-02-23, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrobwoot

My buddy has some jackstands for his truck he'll let me borrow. For sure 2 of 'em. I don't know when I plan on doing my flywheel though, I've had it since the summer, so waiting isn't a big deal. Maybe next weekend or something. Were you planning on doing your tranny this weekend?

Its kind of one of those "when I feel like it" type of jobs and today I just don't feel like it. Next week isn't looking so good either.

bigrobwoot · 2009-02-23, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 100_Percent_Juice

Its kind of one of those "when I feel like it" type of jobs and today I just don't feel like it. Next week isn't looking so good either.

Haha that's how I feel about my flywheel and cams, mostly cuz I don't know what I'm doing. This weekend is gonna be my rear sway, and then enjoying the sway. Maybe next weekend will be the time for the flywheel, and tranny fluid. Nothing needs to be replaced when I do the flywheel right? Because there's all the gaskets and stuff for the cams. Maybe I should do tranny mounts... Something is squeaky when my car is idling, and I figured it was engine mounts or tranny mounts, but what do I know lol. Maybe I could do a short throw shifter too. Can anyone tell I got a student loan check?? Haha

100_Percent_Juice · 2009-02-23, 06:55 PM

I don't see any need to replace those mounts especially since you only have 40k on the car. A short shifter is definitely an easy/cheap/quick project and yields instant awesomeness.

bigrobwoot · 2009-02-23, 07:29 PM

The car has 61k on it. I got the tranny replaced at ~20k because I drove like an idiot in hs in the winter. Michael Hohl told my parents that my clutch was gone and I should replace it then while the car was already apart. Tranny was under warranty, clutch wasn't. I was young and stupid...

SteveM · 2009-02-24, 01:58 PM

[insert joke]I'd rather lift trannys than jack them.[/insert joke]

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperry

Cory's a tranny lifting beast!* Ask him about the time he dead lifted my 6MT into place!

*insert joke here

2009-02-21, 05:02 PM	#1
bigrobwoot EJ251 Real Name: Rob Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Reno Posts: 679 Car: 2019 CBS WRX Premium Class: Middle Shoot for the moon, because even if you miss, you'll still be among the stars	2005 RS Delta Cam install Can anyone tell me of a good shop to get my cams and flywheel installed for a good price? Maybe an estimate of what it would cost? Or talk me into doing it myself? Haha. Thanks!

2009-02-21, 05:15 PM	#2
100_Percent_Juice (40 percent vodka) Real Name: Joel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,446 Car: 2004WRX Class: Baby-Hauler/GroceryGetter	are you doing a new clutch or just the flywheel? __________________ "A power nap is when you sleep on someone who is weaker than you." - Dimitri Martin

2009-02-22, 01:31 PM	#4
100_Percent_Juice (40 percent vodka) Real Name: Joel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,446 Car: 2004WRX Class: Baby-Hauler/GroceryGetter	I would wait until the clutch goes bad before you fork out the cash or spend the time to do the flywheel. __________________ "A power nap is when you sleep on someone who is weaker than you." - Dimitri Martin

2009-02-22, 03:19 PM	#5
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	Flywheels are totally worth it. If you drive like a n00b, do the clutch now. If you're nice to it, no need to get the replacement yet. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2009-02-23, 09:54 AM	#7
MPREZIV Token Real Name: Le Stig Afrique? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sitting next to a big yellow box Posts: 3,589 Car: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Class: 05 TDSP No, I won't work on your car. F your car*	$600 for the cam install alone. Does NOT include adjusting the lifters, if needed. The engine should not need to come out or be separated from the trans for any reason, to put the cams in. It'd be another $500 to pull the trans and put the flywheel in. __________________ "...these condoms have a topical anesthetic to reduce sensitivity, so you can last longer. What a paradox. You can't feel a thing, but you can f*ck for HOURS..."

2009-02-22, 01:11 PM	#3
bigrobwoot EJ251 Real Name: Rob Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Reno Posts: 679 Car: 2019 CBS WRX Premium Class: Middle Shoot for the moon, because even if you miss, you'll still be among the stars	I was thinking just the flywheel. The current clutch only has ~40k miles on it. Now that I see that in writing tho, maybe a new clutch too lol

2009-02-22, 05:09 PM	#6
bigrobwoot EJ251 Real Name: Rob Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Reno Posts: 679 Car: 2019 CBS WRX Premium Class: Middle Shoot for the moon, because even if you miss, you'll still be among the stars	Well I figure the engine will be pulled or at least seperated from the tranny for the cams, and I have a flywheel already.

2009-02-23, 10:26 AM	#8
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	I would assume lifter buckets are going to have to be changed with new cams. I may be wrong, but I would assume lash from cam to cam is not identical. At minimum, they are going to have to be checked. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2009-02-23, 01:33 PM	#11
100_Percent_Juice (40 percent vodka) Real Name: Joel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,446 Car: 2004WRX Class: Baby-Hauler/GroceryGetter	I think it would probably be easier to just pull the trans. I know I looked into that when I did my clutch and when I mentioned the engine method to Cory I think he said "F**k no, just do it the regular way." I think it would be even faster for you since there is not intercooler and turbo to work around. Either way I wouldn't mind helping you... since I am going to be taking my trans out again soon and might need an extra pair of hands. __________________ "A power nap is when you sleep on someone who is weaker than you." - Dimitri Martin

2009-02-23, 01:47 PM	#12
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	You big winkers, you. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2009-02-23, 06:55 PM	#23
100_Percent_Juice (40 percent vodka) Real Name: Joel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,446 Car: 2004WRX Class: Baby-Hauler/GroceryGetter	I don't see any need to replace those mounts especially since you only have 40k on the car. A short shifter is definitely an easy/cheap/quick project and yields instant awesomeness. __________________ "A power nap is when you sleep on someone who is weaker than you." - Dimitri Martin

2009-02-23, 07:29 PM	#24
bigrobwoot EJ251 Real Name: Rob Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Reno Posts: 679 Car: 2019 CBS WRX Premium Class: Middle Shoot for the moon, because even if you miss, you'll still be among the stars	The car has 61k on it. I got the tranny replaced at ~20k because I drove like an idiot in hs in the winter. Michael Hohl told my parents that my clutch was gone and I should replace it then while the car was already apart. Tranny was under warranty, clutch wasn't. I was young and stupid...

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