802.11g in teh hizzle - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

sperry · 2004-03-06, 09:55 PM

So I picked up an 802.11a+g wireless network card and an 802.11g access point for my laptop/home network.

Being able to sit in front of the TV online rocks... I see why all the Sac losers waste their time that way.

Now if only I could find some cool games for a P2 233MHz laptop!

Hey, anyone know where to get a 20GB or larger laptop harddrive for cheap?

Dean · 2004-03-06, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

anyone know where to get a 20GB or larger laptop harddrive for cheap?

Be careful, that system may not support anything as big as 20GB. Do some checking on the web first before you shell out the bucks.

Othewise, pricewatch, pricegrabber, ebay and amazon.

Nick Koan · 2004-03-06, 10:24 PM

Network only g but no b?

Damn, can't use your network then...

Dean · 2004-03-06, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nKoan

Network only g but no b?

G usually implies support for B, but it brings the that AP down to B speed.

MikeSTI · 2004-03-07, 12:02 AM

I love my wireless network also

Now my wife cant say I spend all my time in my office because I sit right next to her in the living room

sperry · 2004-03-07, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean

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Originally Posted by nKoan

Network only g but no b?

G usually implies support for B, but it brings the that AP down to B speed.

Yeah, the access point will run B and G. But I don't remember reading that a B adapter connected to it will slow all the G connections!?! That would suck!

Dean · 2004-03-07, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry

I don't remember reading that a B adapter connected to it will slow all the G connections!?! That would suck!

It definitely will slow them, but perhaps not as bad as I remembered. Aparently they did make it better in the final RFC...

"backward compatibility" with 802.11b means that when a mobile 802.11b device joins an 802.11g access point, all connections on that access point slow down to 802.11b speeds."-http://www.devx.com/wireless/Door/11411

"The actual maximum throughput in a mixed b/g environment of an 802.11g client is limited to between 14 and 15 Mbps. This is still approximately three times faster than 802.11b. The specification also allows for a G Performance mode (G only) where throughout can reach 20-24 Mbps. An additional B only mode has been added for use in all 802.11b environments."-http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/columns/bowman/80211gspec.asp

JoelK · 2004-03-07, 07:59 AM

You might also check out the Need to Know section of www.tomsnetworking.com.

I'm not generally the biggest fan of Tom's Hardware (especially their commentary), but the networking Need to Knows that I read look solid at every level.

Dean · 2004-03-07, 08:19 AM

A couple quick wireless tips.

Unless you are sharing your wireless with the whole building/neighborhood, change your SSID from the default, and disable it's broadcast if you can.

I always thought if you lived in an apartment, this would be a great way to get broadband cheap. One Central AP could serve an entire 6-8 apartment/condo group. That comes out to $5-7 per unit for a $40 broadband connection.

Use a shared secret 128bit WEP key (26 Hex characters) if you have any private data.

Solid objects are your enemy. Put your AP so primay work areas have the least obstructions to it. Attics are bad in general unless you are only using it in one room since the diabonal beams will travel throught the ceiling at very low angles.

Check your signal quality! Changing the channel on your AP, or moving it 6 inches could make an unexpected difference.

MikeSTI · 2004-03-07, 09:14 AM

from my wireless G I get 24 to 54 mbps so I dont think the 14 to 15 is correct unless its displaying one thing and doing somthing different

Dean · 2004-03-07, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeSTI

from my wireless G I get 24 to 54 mbps so I dont think the 14 to 15 is correct unless its displaying one thing and doing somthing different

What the icon in the system tray, etc. says is not real thruput, it is one of the 12 allowed transmission rates it, and the AP have been able to agree upon based on signal quality etc.. 14-15Mb appears to be real throughput of a mixed B/G net vs. 5-6Mb for pure B, and 20-24Mb for pure G.

Don't beleive those numbers, try an FTP between your wireless, and a wired machine on the same router. It should give you somewhat useful statistics.

Remeber, Mb is Megabits, not MegaBytes.

sperry · 2004-03-07, 10:23 PM

Well, my AP's in the living room, and I have access from everywhere in my Apt... and it's plenty fast for browsing the web and d/ling from my local server, so I'm not going to stress it... hell, we're moving in a few weeks anyway.

As far as security I'm off the default channel, and I've got 128 WEP up and running.

sperry · 2004-03-08, 02:33 AM

heh... check out my new background for my laptop:

Nick Koan · 2004-03-08, 10:00 AM

^^^

STIwish · 2004-03-08, 12:16 PM

LVSUBARU · 2004-03-08, 07:12 PM

Nice!!!!!!

tysonK · 2004-03-08, 07:27 PM

that is funnAy

BADBORA · 2004-03-08, 07:30 PM

lol

2004-03-06, 09:55 PM	#1
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	802.11g in teh hizzle So I picked up an 802.11a+g wireless network card and an 802.11g access point for my laptop/home network. Being able to sit in front of the TV online rocks... I see why all the Sac losers waste their time that way. Now if only I could find some cool games for a P2 233MHz laptop! Hey, anyone know where to get a 20GB or larger laptop harddrive for cheap? __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2004-03-06, 10:24 PM	#3
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Network only g but no b? Damn, can't use your network then... __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2004-03-07, 12:02 AM	#5
MikeSTI EJ205 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,354 Car: 2004 STi Class: TSM I can't complain	I love my wireless network also Now my wife cant say I spend all my time in my office because I sit right next to her in the living room __________________ Cobb Stage 2

2004-03-07, 08:19 AM	#9
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	A couple quick wireless tips. Unless you are sharing your wireless with the whole building/neighborhood, change your SSID from the default, and disable it's broadcast if you can. I always thought if you lived in an apartment, this would be a great way to get broadband cheap. One Central AP could serve an entire 6-8 apartment/condo group. That comes out to $5-7 per unit for a $40 broadband connection. Use a shared secret 128bit WEP key (26 Hex characters) if you have any private data. Solid objects are your enemy. Put your AP so primay work areas have the least obstructions to it. Attics are bad in general unless you are only using it in one room since the diabonal beams will travel throught the ceiling at very low angles. Check your signal quality! Changing the channel on your AP, or moving it 6 inches could make an unexpected difference. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2004-03-07, 09:14 AM	#10
MikeSTI EJ205 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,354 Car: 2004 STi Class: TSM I can't complain	from my wireless G I get 24 to 54 mbps so I dont think the 14 to 15 is correct unless its displaying one thing and doing somthing different __________________ Cobb Stage 2

2004-03-07, 07:59 AM	#8
JoelK EJ22 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Minden, NV Posts: 144	You might also check out the Need to Know section of www.tomsnetworking.com. I'm not generally the biggest fan of Tom's Hardware (especially their commentary), but the networking Need to Knows that I read look solid at every level.

2004-03-07, 10:23 PM	#12
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Well, my AP's in the living room, and I have access from everywhere in my Apt... and it's plenty fast for browsing the web and d/ling from my local server, so I'm not going to stress it... hell, we're moving in a few weeks anyway. As far as security I'm off the default channel, and I've got 128 WEP up and running. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2004-03-08, 02:33 AM	#13
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	heh... check out my new background for my laptop: Attached Thumbnails __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2004-03-08, 10:00 AM	#14
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2004-03-08, 07:12 PM	#16
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