2004 Reno PAX/RTP

[sperry]

2004 PAX/RTP
SS  .836   ASP  .848   AP .868   AM 1.00   STS  .791   FJ1 .785
AS  .828   BSP  .839   BP .863   BM .945   STX  .795   FJ2 .792
BS  .826   CSP  .837   CP .854   CM .913               FJ3 .825
CS  .811   DSP  .819   DP .844   DM .886   SM   .838   FJ4 .834
DS  .794   ESP  .824   EP .861   EM .894   SM2  .849
ES  .804   FSP  .813   FP .862   FM .889   SU   .853
FS  .803
GS  .781                                   F125 .938
HS  .776                                   FSAE .960

2004 Street Tire PAX/RTP
Reno Region Street Tire Multiplier: .968
NSS .809   NASP .821   AP  N/A   AM  N/A   STS   N/A   FJ1  N/A
NAS .802   NBSP .812   BP  N/A   BM  N/A   STX   N/A   FJ2  N/A
NBS .800   NCSP .810   CP  N/A   CM  N/A               FJ3  N/A
NCS .785   NDSP .793   DP  N/A   DM  N/A   SM   .811   FJ4  N/A
NDS .769   NESP .798   EP  N/A   EM  N/A   SM2  .822
NES .778   NFSP .787   FP  N/A   FM  N/A   SU   .826
NFS .777
NGS .756                                   F125  N/A
NHS .751                                   FSAE  N/A

Well, I got what looks like will be the upcoming season's PAX values, so I need to figure out if I'm going NSM or STX...

STX = .795
NSM = .811

Which means, on a 60 second course I have to be a little under 1 second faster to get the same PAX in NSM. So who thinks being able to modify my boost will pick up a second?

[sperry]

Oh, and Matt:

NAS = .802

So you're gonna have to run raw times .5 seconds faster than me to beat me if I'm in STX... and when you drove my car, realize my boost was turned down to about 10psi to keep cold air spikes under 1bar.

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Just get some real race tires and run SM.

[dknv]

closer to 1.2 seconds on a 60 second course...

[sperry]

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

Just get some real race tires and run SM.

Hey good idea... let's spend money on tires when I already got a set of Azenis that have like 80% tread left! Plus, it'll put me in a class that's even harder to compete in!



If you didn't have those stupid weld-in subframe members, you'd be running in ESP. SM is too hard w/o way too much money.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by dknv

closer to 1.2 seconds on a 60 second course...

How do you figure?

NSM(.811 * 60) - STX(.795 * 60) = 0.96 seconds

or were you talking about me and Matt?

NAS(.802 * 60) - STX(.795 * 60) = 0.42 seconds

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by sperry

If you didn't have those stupid weld-in subframe members, you'd be running in ESP. SM is too hard w/o way too much money.

Except for those non-OEM front brakes... and brake lines... and coil-overs...

And yeah it is.

[dknv]

Originally Posted by sperry

How do you figure?

NSM(.811 * 60) - STX(.795 * 60) = 0.96 seconds

or were you talking about me and Matt?

NAS(.802 * 60) - STX(.795 * 60) = 0.42 seconds

STX .795 * 60 = 47.7 adjusted time
NSM .811 * 60 = 48.66 adjusted time

In NSM, you'd need to run about 58.8 compared to 60 seconds in STX, to beat the STX adjusted time by about .02 seconds.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

Except for those non-OEM front brakes... and brake lines... and coil-overs...

And yeah it is.

Um... I thought brakes were unlimited as long as the rotors were the same size as stock... and your rotors are the same size as Cobra rotors, so they're covered w/ the update/backdate rule, right?

I didn't know about the brake lines... I guess that keeps me out of ESP too! 'Course, the only thing better about ESP over STX for me is that I can swap my intercooler hoses...

And I always forget that coilovers on your car are totally different than the stock suspension.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by dknv

STX .795 * 60 = 47.7 adjusted time
NSM .811 * 60 = 48.66 adjusted time

In NSM, you'd need to run about 58.8 compared to 60 seconds in STX, to beat the STX adjusted time by about .02 seconds.

Um, I guess I'm calculating adjusted time differences.... woops. Now we see why I'm in computer science and not a real engineering discipline.

[AtomicLabMonkey]

14.6 Brakes
Any brake line, single or dual master cylinder, vacuum brake booster, brake proportioning valves may be used. This does not allow multiple separate cylinders, but does allow for any single, dual-circuit cylinder. "Safety breakers" and units such as the "Brake Guard System" are permitted. ABS braking systems may be disabled, but not removed; brake boosters may be removed or added. Air ducts may be fitted to the brakes, provided that they extend in a forward direction only, and that no changes are made in the body/structure for their use. They may serve no other purpose. Backing plates and dirt shields may be modified or removed.

Looks like the lines are actually legal, but the brakes are sold by Baer, even though they're the same thing as what's on the Cobras... so an assclown could probably protest that as not being covered by a backdate. But the coil-overs definitely knock me out of ESP since the stock springs are in a different location.

[MattR]

Originally Posted by sperry

Oh, and Matt:

NAS = .802

So you're gonna have to run raw times .5 seconds faster than me to beat me if I'm in STX... and when you drove my car, realize my boost was turned down to about 10psi to keep cold air spikes under 1bar.

Yeah, good point, But last year, when you were in STX and I ran NAS, we were very close in times, so?

[sperry]

Originally Posted by MattR

Yeah, good point, But last year, when you were in STX and I ran NAS, we were very close in times, so?

Actually, my math was bad, it's more than half a second. Plus I got coilovers since then... I'm just saying if I'm in STX, you're gonna have to bring your A game.


"Oh, it's already be broughten!"

[MattR]

I always bring the A game...


Hahahhahaha at the picture!

[Dean]

Would that be you A stock game?

SM got hurt this year in PAX, and STX got helped.

I think Debbie even said that the STX PAX is bbetter than DS... Go figure...

[dknv]

uh, I meant the improvement in stx is better than the improvement in dstock.
.794 and .795 (vs. 2003 which were .795 & .79.

so you guys have a .001 higher pax than me in ds, but much more you can do to your cars.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by dknv

uh, I meant the improvement in stx is better than the improvement in dstock.
.794 and .795 (vs. 2003 which were .795 & .79.

so you guys have a .001 higher pax than me in ds, but much more you can do to your cars.

Yeah.. it's amazing what R-compounds will do for ya.

[Kevin M]

Is the complete list of PAXs posted anywhere yet? If not, why aren't they posted here?

[sperry]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

Is the complete list of PAXs posted anywhere yet? If not, why aren't they posted here?

Updated the 1st post!

[Dean]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

Is the complete list of PAXs posted anywhere yet? If not, why aren't they posted here?

Because Dean hadn't done it yet...

PAX as well as the schedule are posted now on www.RenoSCCA.com

Run group splits are in the process of being determined.

[dknv]

This is very interesting on nasioc regarding another class for STi...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...0&pagenumber=1

[MattR]

So, do you think this will be something Reno region would adopt? Does it just take some pressure from STi/ Evo Drivers? Since it's in development stages, what is the course or plan to get a new class added? Sounds like a necessary option, because the Sti will not be in ESP for long.

[dknv]

Originally Posted by MattR

So, do you think this will be something Reno region would adopt? Does it just take some pressure from STi/ Evo Drivers? Since it's in development stages, what is the course or plan to get a new class added? Sounds like a necessary option, because the Sti will not be in ESP for long.

Sounds like its official, scca approved STU and STS2 for National Tour events.
http://www.sccaforums.com/ubb/ultima...ic/22/751.html

Matt - you bring up a good question. Dean: as a reno scca board member, can you help us understand how this would be addressed by reno?

[sperry]

Well, STS2 and STU didn't end up the way I thought they would. I was hoping STU would allow more modifications that STX does, similar to the way STX allows more mods than STS, however, it looks like these classes are just to allow additional, higher powered cars, and not more mods.

Though I can see an STU STi being a *very* formitable beast!

[dknv]

Originally Posted by sperry

I was hoping STU would allow more modifications that STX does, similar to the way STX allows more mods than STS, however, it looks like these classes are just to allow additional, higher powered cars, and not more mods.

More mods = SM or SU