F1 Silly Season 2009! - Page 3 - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

Nick Koan · 2009-01-13, 07:08 AM

Ferrari have released their 2009 challenger, called the F60.

http://www.f1technical.net/gallery/v.../F2009/Launch/
http://www.crash.net/gallery.asp?cid...2012009&news=n

The new spec cars do look better in Ferrari red.

sperry · 2009-01-13, 10:04 AM

Well, the tiny rear wing is so silly looking... but I really love the cleaned up lines of the car without all the winglets. I wish the spec limited the surface area of the rear wing, instead of the width so it could be wider... other than that, I like the new look! Let's hope it helps make the races more interesting!

skimonkey30 · 2009-01-13, 05:01 PM

that rear wing looks ridiculous

Nick Koan · 2009-01-15, 08:05 AM

Toyota's is out. With its own website and cheesy movie starting Jarno and Timo.

http://www.tf109-premiere.com/

Link directly to pictures
http://www.tf109-premiere.com/pictures.html

sperry · 2009-01-15, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Koan

Toyota's is out. With its own website and cheesy movie starting Jarno and Timo.

http://www.tf109-premiere.com/

Link directly to pictures
http://www.tf109-premiere.com/pictures.html

There are more pictures of Jarno and Timo gaying it up than there are of the car.

Nick Koan · 2009-01-15, 09:56 AM

And their test driver too.

"Okay, try to look natural"

Nick Koan · 2009-01-15, 10:12 AM

Crash.net has some more pictures, but you have to log in to see them at a higher res. I'll attach them here.

http://www.crash.net/gallery.asp?cid...5012009&news=n

Nick Koan · 2009-01-16, 08:21 AM

McClaren's MP4-24

Nick Koan · 2009-01-20, 10:13 AM

Williams-Toyota FW31

Nick Koan · 2009-01-20, 10:16 AM

Renault R29

Bye-bye-blue

Nick Koan · 2009-01-20, 10:18 AM

BMW Sauber F1.09

sperry · 2009-01-20, 10:22 AM

Looking at those pictures of the Toyota motor... it blows me away how much power they get out of such a tiny package. Especially considering that the motor is a structural part of the car that attaches the back half of the car to the front half! A ton of that motor's bulk has to be just to keep it from flexing during cornering.

I wonder if you could get your hands on one of those motors and drop it into a Hachi, or a 1st generation Celica/Supra, or a 1st generation MR2.

I'd love to see the look on someone's face if you fired up your mid-80's Toyota and it started doing an F1 style warmup rev program.

MattR · 2009-01-20, 04:10 PM

Is it just me or are these wings looking Extremely vulnerable to first turn contact??? Those things just stick way out there like curb feelers... yikes.

MattR · 2009-01-20, 04:10 PM

Oh, and the proper Slicks are dead-sexy

sperry · 2009-01-20, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattR

Is it just me or are these wings looking Extremely vulnerable to first turn contact??? Those things just stick way out there like curb feelers... yikes.

I think a lot of the drivers have already said they're really concerned about turn 1 retirements in the up coming season for just that reason.

Hopefully everyone will be really cautious because of the wing and we'll actually see less lap 1 retirements?

Nick Koan · 2009-01-20, 04:55 PM

What I find interesting is how different each of the attachments between the front wing and the nose cone looks. Renault and Toyota's are kinda different (Toyota's kinda looking like the BMW Williams tusks from ... 05?) and Renault's being kinda ugly. Williams, BMW and McClaren are looking a bit more standard.

sperry · 2009-01-20, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Koan

What I find interesting is how different each of the attachments between the front wing and the nose cone looks. Renault and Toyota's are kinda different (Toyota's kinda looking like the BMW Williams tusks from ... 05?) and Renault's being kinda ugly. Williams, BMW and McClaren are looking a bit more standard.

The Renault just has a really wide nose in general. Weird looking.

Is is cool though that all the cars are unique again.

AtomicLabMonkey · 2009-01-22, 10:40 AM

What. the fuck. is wrong with F1? The aero on these cars looks retarded. I mean seriously bad.

There are other ways to manipulate lift production of a wing than reducing its span.

sperry · 2009-01-22, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

What. the fuck. is wrong with F1? The aero on these cars looks retarded. I mean seriously bad.

There are other ways to manipulate lift production of a wing than reducing its span.

My guess is that they were looking to compromise between lower downforce and still having enough pitch & surface area on the wing for a large sponsor sticker... as the rear wing is really the biggest/best location for the primary sponsor's sticker.

Plus, I think they wanted an air path over the center of the car to give the following car more air... which is why the rear wing is so high, and the front wing has no pitch in the center of the car.

As ugly as the new rear wing is, it's still *way* better than the original proposal which was two small wings behind each rear tire and nothing in the middle.

Joeyy · 2009-01-23, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattR

Oh, and the proper Slicks are dead-sexy

+1!..

Nick Koan · 2009-01-26, 11:03 AM

Ecclestone says bigger teams could field a third car as soon as ... immediately.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...26082508.shtml

Quote:

He explained to DPA: "If the manufacturers supply engines to other people, they can run three cars themselves."

Ecclestone hinted that the third car provision could be triggered immediately, such as if a buyer is not found for Honda's Brackley-based team.

"It is better to have 20 cars on the grid, whether they are in the hands of manufacturers or in private hands, that doesn't make any difference," he said.

Well, I guess that's one way to do it...

Why don't we just have Ferrari just supply all 20 cars.

zpeed · 2009-01-26, 08:16 PM

F1 = Formula 1 or Ferrari 1

skimonkey30 · 2009-02-06, 01:48 PM

Bourdais confirmed at Toro Rosso:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...06091328.shtml

Nick Koan · 2009-02-27, 09:38 AM

Some are reporting that the ex-Honda team has been saved, others are saying that they are close to being saved. After all the speculation, looks like Brawn and Fry will take the company, with severance money from Honda, some money from Ecclestone (who reportedly needs 20 cars on the grid or be forced to lower his fees at many of the circuits), other sponsors and an engine deal with McLaren/Mercedes.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...k-on-the-grid/

skimonkey30 · 2009-02-27, 01:31 PM

what a cluster fuck

Guess it'll be called the Ecclestone/Brawn/Fry/MclarenMercedes

2009-01-13, 07:08 AM	#51
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Ferrari have released their 2009 challenger, called the F60. http://www.f1technical.net/gallery/v.../F2009/Launch/ http://www.crash.net/gallery.asp?cid...2012009&news=n The new spec cars do look better in Ferrari red. Attached Thumbnails __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2009-01-13, 10:04 AM	#52
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Well, the tiny rear wing is so silly looking... but I really love the cleaned up lines of the car without all the winglets. I wish the spec limited the surface area of the rear wing, instead of the width so it could be wider... other than that, I like the new look! Let's hope it helps make the races more interesting! __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2009-01-13, 05:01 PM	#53
skimonkey30 Mr. Romano Real Name: David Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 932 Car: 2013 F150 Class: Mellow Yellow Rubbin's Racin	that rear wing looks ridiculous __________________ That would be Mr. Dipshit to you.........sir

2009-01-15, 08:05 AM	#54
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Toyota's is out. With its own website and cheesy movie starting Jarno and Timo. http://www.tf109-premiere.com/ Link directly to pictures http://www.tf109-premiere.com/pictures.html Attached Thumbnails __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2009-01-15, 09:56 AM	#56
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	And their test driver too. "Okay, try to look natural" Attached Thumbnails __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2009-01-15, 10:12 AM	#57
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Crash.net has some more pictures, but you have to log in to see them at a higher res. I'll attach them here. http://www.crash.net/gallery.asp?cid...5012009&news=n Attached Thumbnails __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2009-01-16, 08:21 AM	#58
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	McClaren's MP4-24 Attached Thumbnails __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2009-01-20, 10:13 AM	#59
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Williams-Toyota FW31 Attached Thumbnails __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2009-01-20, 10:16 AM	#60
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Renault R29 Bye-bye-blue Attached Thumbnails __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2009-01-20, 10:18 AM	#61
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	BMW Sauber F1.09 Attached Thumbnails __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2009-01-20, 10:22 AM	#62
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Looking at those pictures of the Toyota motor... it blows me away how much power they get out of such a tiny package. Especially considering that the motor is a structural part of the car that attaches the back half of the car to the front half! A ton of that motor's bulk has to be just to keep it from flexing during cornering. I wonder if you could get your hands on one of those motors and drop it into a Hachi, or a 1st generation Celica/Supra, or a 1st generation MR2. I'd love to see the look on someone's face if you fired up your mid-80's Toyota and it started doing an F1 style warmup rev program. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2009-01-20, 04:10 PM	#63
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Is it just me or are these wings looking Extremely vulnerable to first turn contact??? Those things just stick way out there like curb feelers... yikes. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2009-01-20, 04:10 PM	#64
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Oh, and the proper Slicks are dead-sexy __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2009-01-20, 04:55 PM	#66
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	What I find interesting is how different each of the attachments between the front wing and the nose cone looks. Renault and Toyota's are kinda different (Toyota's kinda looking like the BMW Williams tusks from ... 05?) and Renault's being kinda ugly. Williams, BMW and McClaren are looking a bit more standard. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2009-01-22, 10:40 AM	#68
AtomicLabMonkey Nightwalker Real Name: Austin Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Oshkosh, WI Posts: 4,063 Car: '13 WRX YGBSM	What. the fuck. is wrong with F1? The aero on these cars looks retarded. I mean seriously bad. There are other ways to manipulate lift production of a wing than reducing its span. __________________ "None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you.. you're locked in here with me."

2009-01-26, 08:16 PM	#72
zpeed EJ251 Real Name: Nat S Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Reno, NV USA Posts: 743 Car: 06 S2000 Class: RNP & PDX	F1 = Formula 1 or Ferrari 1

2009-02-06, 01:48 PM	#73
skimonkey30 Mr. Romano Real Name: David Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 932 Car: 2013 F150 Class: Mellow Yellow Rubbin's Racin	Bourdais confirmed at Toro Rosso: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...06091328.shtml __________________ That would be Mr. Dipshit to you.........sir

2009-02-27, 09:38 AM	#74
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Some are reporting that the ex-Honda team has been saved, others are saying that they are close to being saved. After all the speculation, looks like Brawn and Fry will take the company, with severance money from Honda, some money from Ecclestone (who reportedly needs 20 cars on the grid or be forced to lower his fees at many of the circuits), other sponsors and an engine deal with McLaren/Mercedes. http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...k-on-the-grid/ __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2009-02-27, 01:31 PM	#75
skimonkey30 Mr. Romano Real Name: David Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 932 Car: 2013 F150 Class: Mellow Yellow Rubbin's Racin	what a cluster fuck Guess it'll be called the Ecclestone/Brawn/Fry/MclarenMercedes __________________ That would be Mr. Dipshit to you.........sir

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