What would you buy and why - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

Skidder · 2009-04-23, 05:21 PM

So I've been stuck with an Audi A4 since I sold my 04 WRX in august of 08... I have been completely stumped on what car I should buy next. Which is actually great becasue my savings account just got bigger with time. There's so many options and I have test drove just about all of them, they all seem like they would make very enjoyable cars. So I'm going to enlist you guys to give me your opinions on what to buy next.

So I'm looking for a sporty/sports car that is small, probably AWD, preferably turbo, and has some degree of practicality. Check out my car selections, and feel free to mention cars that I might not have thought of.

Subaru WRX (09,07,06)
Subaru STi (05-09) (Maybe swing for a 07 limited)
Subaru Forester XT sports (0

Mitsubishi Evo 8 (maybe 10)
Mitsubishi ralliart (if they ever release a manual)
BMW 335xi
Audi S4 (b5 or b6)
VW r20 (see link) http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...erica_car_news
Volvo S40 R

Also I guess I should mention that I have a stable job, and I would like to buy new, but 600 dollar car payments are not my cup of tea. So that's why cheaper cars like the 06 WRX and B5 S4 are in that list next to the likes of BMW 335xi's.

DaveWRX · 2009-04-23, 06:46 PM

Buy the 09 wrx is Aspen White. Fun fast car and it's acutally faster than a stock STI

WRX06TR · 2009-04-23, 06:52 PM

My vote would be an 07 STi Limited...but good luck finding one...

van · 2009-04-23, 07:05 PM

335i is great, a little too nice if you race but a great daily driver
Evo 8, to race because they've become dirt cheap in this economy
GC body impreza if you really want to race, lightweight,easy engine swaps,no frills,cheap

Dean · 2009-04-23, 08:33 PM

Something you can buy outright without payments.

Keep saving your money and invest it in something that goes up in value.

A4 is a great car. What year/options is yours? No S4 or STI, but not half bad. I tracked my basically stock B5 1.8TQMS for over 3000 miles and a few years of autocross before it retired to DD status.

I wouldn't buy another Audi though, or a VW or Volvo.

ScottyS · 2009-04-23, 08:40 PM

Legacy GT with a 5-speed. Preferably the 2005 wagon. Then do a few things to it. Not a dedicated race car, but a fine machine with excellent looks and reasonable practicality.

Even more practical would be the Outback XT or (as you listed) Forester XT. Handling of course cannot compare with the rest of your list, but they have great clearance. Better on insurance I would imagine.

I really like the looks of the sporty little VW hatches, but I know absolutely nothing about the mechanicals or longevity.

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Originally Posted by Dean

Buy outright.

Save money.

Invest in guns.

Exactly.

Skidder · 2009-04-23, 09:08 PM

I have a 00 A4tqm... without sport package, its basically the slowest car I have ever owned and the second worst handling. But I'm on the Audi forums and understand that its a very modifiable platform. But to get it to stock STi levels i would have to spend 10k (at least). So its not worth it... i was sorta thinking about keeping it as a winter beater and getting a RWD sports car.

But yeah... I'm looking for something that's a good DD and can handle some track time.

07 STi limited's... 2 for sale in bay area currently. I'm just scared to death of how many miles the original owner put on the stock tune.

I loved the BMW 335i i drove... the shitty thing is that even used I'm paying mid 30's for it.

I leaning toward an 06' WRX or STI becasue I have a DP and COBB sways that will fit collecting dust in my garage.... and they are reasonably priced. But I also like the 09' 5 doors for practicality and under the radar style.

WRX06TR · 2009-04-23, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Skidder

07 STi limited's... 2 for sale in bay area currently. I'm just scared to death of how many miles the original owner put on the stock tune.

I loved the BMW 335i i drove... the shitty thing is that even used I'm paying mid 30's for it.

I leaning toward an 06' WRX or STI becasue I have a DP and COBB sways that will fit collecting dust in my garage.... and they are reasonably priced. But I also like the 09' 5 doors for practicality and under the radar style.

Well, on the Limiteds, what was the tune? Was is a Cobb stage 2 flash? Or a bigger tune? If it is the Cobb flash I really don't think you have anything to worry about. The STi is a pretty stout car and unless the guy was an idiot and had an intake and a bad tune I bet you are fine.

Also, keep in mind that those sways you have won't find a WRX and an STi, the STi sways are a little different than the WRX ones (I think the STi ones are a little longer...) Likewise, I bet you know this, but you can't just slap a downpipe on and call it good, you need a tune...that was in reference to the DP you have...

Skidder · 2009-04-23, 09:30 PM

So i guess the 07 STI's had a horrible stock tune... where they would basically fry the rings. But i guess its nothing to worry about because Subaru is pretty good about talking care of you if the car is stock (and under warranty).

As far as everything else... yup not really new to the Subaru game. COBB builds their parts to fit several models without having to be retooled, so to put the sway on either cars all you do is mount it on different sides of the endlinks. Well I think that's how it goes?

Dean · 2009-04-23, 09:31 PM

STI is not a great DD.

Dedicated track car is not a bad idea. Here is a RWD option.

Chip the A5 = +50HP and put some suspension on it. The former can be had fairly cheaply and later can be done in stages.

Both are often available at Audi Club event auctions at drastically reduced prices.

Kevin M · 2009-04-23, 10:56 PM

+1 for not trying to have one do-it-all car. Get something nice for DD, and something cheap but with potential for the track car.

MattR · 2009-04-24, 05:20 PM

From that list, the 335 XI is by far the best car for a sporty, refined DD... However, I love our 07 Limited, it is the perfect balance of fun and comfort. I could be comfortable in a 08-09 STi as a DD though, as long as it were to stay mostly stock. I'd pass on the rest, there are too many "little things" that disqualify the rest in my opinion.

What is this about the limited tune? I've never heard of an issue, can you provide a link? I'm curious.

sperry · 2009-04-24, 05:35 PM

Personally, if I were spending around $30k on a fun DD, I'd go w/ a '08 STi. Sure they're a little harsh, but my GF (fiance!) has a Saab 9-3 which is plenty cushy for a long trip or something.

IMO, the STi in stock form is plenty refined for putting up with daily, has plenty of power to spare, has plenty of cargo space/4-door practicality, AWD for the snow, and can go to the track w/ just a set of brake pads tossed in the Brembos.

If I could sell the race car and the SVX for decent prices, I'd be all over an '08/'09 STi.

Skidder · 2009-04-24, 07:52 PM

Yeah... i drove an 06' STi from SF to Tahoe. The seats were a little uncomfortable for the long drive, but all in all it seems like a very livable DD.

MattR: I read way too much crap on nasioc, its probably not healthy. But since 07' Subaru started using open loop and closed loop maps for the STi's and the tuning was crap... that's why they keep issuing reflashes for the 07-09 STi's. All in all I think its nothing to worry about... its probably something the nasioc kids blew out of proportion.

An I love the new STi's... some don't... but i do. I have not driven it yet because lithia doesn't have any to test drive. Its on my list of things to do.

and if the BMW wasn't 45K it would be really hard to choose between the two

sperry · 2009-04-24, 09:10 PM

If you really like the BMW's, isn't the 135i quite a bit cheaper than a 335i?

Skidder · 2009-04-24, 09:23 PM

The practicality is way down with a 2 door, 4 seater, RWD. Also I just don't like how the rocker panels are curved. And I'm pretty sure they are still high 30's.

If i was going for that small of a car i would look at one of those Hyndai Genesis coupes... cheaper, more reliable, brembos, and a LSD. (only M-series BMWs have LSDs these days)

wrxkidid · 2009-04-25, 03:29 PM

I loved my evo. Although it may not be as practical. Long trips suck, because there are no cruise control, but i never had any problems with the seats they were comfy enough for me and no one ever complained.

The 08 STi would be sweet. 4 doors, wagon, and fast, I would sport it haha. Another option you could look at is the Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliarts? they are a 2.0l turbocharged 237 HP motor with mivec. Never driven one but ridden in one and they get up and scoot, and they wont rape your wallet either.

Skidder · 2009-04-25, 03:59 PM

Ralliart is a good option... but lack of manual trans makes it a no go; I'll take mine without the slappy paddle sissy shifter please.

wrxkidid · 2009-04-25, 10:24 PM

very true. i did hear that it works pretty damn well though.

100_Percent_Juice · 2009-04-25, 11:01 PM

09 wrx.

/thread

WRX06TR · 2009-04-26, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 100_Percent_Juice

09 wrx.

/thread

Why? Sorry I guess its just me but I hate having to worry about tranny issues...and there is nothing different about the 09 trans...

wrxkidid · 2009-04-26, 01:17 AM

worry wort

WRX06TR · 2009-04-26, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wrxkidid

worry wort

Meh, I don't really worry about it so much anymore...well with the Stg 2 power, but I want to slap on an 18g and that just isn't goin to happen until I beef up the trans....

DaveWRX · 2009-04-26, 10:35 AM

I still think the 09 WRX would be the best bet. It's faster than previous years and already has a very nice suspension. Comfortable ride as well. I'm 6'5 and it was a joy to drive one.

Evo Mike · 2009-04-26, 12:04 PM

my vote goes to the new Evo X GSR with SSS, Aero, and Nav.

You can get em for as low as 29k$ plus TTL.

It all highly depends on what you want. If you want to mod it and go fast, the Evo's are the way to go. Even though it's a subie forum.. most subie guys will agree. However, the STi's are much nicer cars all around. The interior doesn't look half bad and the drivetrain is fuking awesome. My point being, there are ups and downs for either car.

I've owned an evo VIII and an M3.. and my bro owns an "STi". All in all, I like the new X best.. but it must have the nav, sss, and aero.. otherwise, my vote goes to the last model of the older body style STi.

The list you put up compare totally different cars. If you want lux, go with BMW, Volvo, Mercedes, maybe even VW..

It all depends on what YOU want.

2009-04-23, 05:21 PM	#1
Skidder EJ18 Real Name: Steve Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lake Tahoe Posts: 48 Car: 2010 WRX Class: DS Life is to short to drink cheap beer	What would you buy and why So I've been stuck with an Audi A4 since I sold my 04 WRX in august of 08... I have been completely stumped on what car I should buy next. Which is actually great becasue my savings account just got bigger with time. There's so many options and I have test drove just about all of them, they all seem like they would make very enjoyable cars. So I'm going to enlist you guys to give me your opinions on what to buy next. So I'm looking for a sporty/sports car that is small, probably AWD, preferably turbo, and has some degree of practicality. Check out my car selections, and feel free to mention cars that I might not have thought of. Subaru WRX (09,07,06) Subaru STi (05-09) (Maybe swing for a 07 limited) Subaru Forester XT sports (0 Mitsubishi Evo 8 (maybe 10) Mitsubishi ralliart (if they ever release a manual) BMW 335xi Audi S4 (b5 or b6) VW r20 (see link) http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...erica_car_news Volvo S40 R Also I guess I should mention that I have a stable job, and I would like to buy new, but 600 dollar car payments are not my cup of tea. So that's why cheaper cars like the 06 WRX and B5 S4 are in that list next to the likes of BMW 335xi's. Last edited by Skidder; 2009-04-23 at 05:28 PM.

2009-04-23, 07:05 PM	#4
van SECCS Brewmeister Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: on the edge of a marsh Posts: 1,451	335i is great, a little too nice if you race but a great daily driver Evo 8, to race because they've become dirt cheap in this economy GC body impreza if you really want to race, lightweight,easy engine swaps,no frills,cheap Last edited by van; 2009-04-23 at 07:29 PM. Reason: 335xi is weak,335i is better, awd bmw does not compute

2009-04-23, 08:33 PM	#5
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	Something you can buy outright without payments. Keep saving your money and invest it in something that goes up in value. A4 is a great car. What year/options is yours? No S4 or STI, but not half bad. I tracked my basically stock B5 1.8TQMS for over 3000 miles and a few years of autocross before it retired to DD status. I wouldn't buy another Audi though, or a VW or Volvo. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids... Last edited by Dean; 2009-04-23 at 09:03 PM.

2009-04-23, 09:31 PM	#10
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	STI is not a great DD. Dedicated track car is not a bad idea. Here is a RWD option. Chip the A5 = +50HP and put some suspension on it. The former can be had fairly cheaply and later can be done in stages. Both are often available at Audi Club event auctions at drastically reduced prices. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2009-04-23, 10:56 PM	#11
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	+1 for not trying to have one do-it-all car. Get something nice for DD, and something cheap but with potential for the track car. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2009-04-23, 06:46 PM	#2
DaveWRX EJ22 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: N Reno Posts: 239 Car: 03 WRB WRX	Buy the 09 wrx is Aspen White. Fun fast car and it's acutally faster than a stock STI

2009-04-23, 06:52 PM	#3
WRX06TR EJ251 Real Name: Nick P Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Reno Posts: 881 Car: 2005 STi Class: MadtyteTunerBro! Back to the studio!	My vote would be an 07 STi Limited...but good luck finding one...

2009-04-23, 09:08 PM	#7
Skidder EJ18 Real Name: Steve Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lake Tahoe Posts: 48 Car: 2010 WRX Class: DS Life is to short to drink cheap beer	I have a 00 A4tqm... without sport package, its basically the slowest car I have ever owned and the second worst handling. But I'm on the Audi forums and understand that its a very modifiable platform. But to get it to stock STi levels i would have to spend 10k (at least). So its not worth it... i was sorta thinking about keeping it as a winter beater and getting a RWD sports car. But yeah... I'm looking for something that's a good DD and can handle some track time. 07 STi limited's... 2 for sale in bay area currently. I'm just scared to death of how many miles the original owner put on the stock tune. I loved the BMW 335i i drove... the shitty thing is that even used I'm paying mid 30's for it. I leaning toward an 06' WRX or STI becasue I have a DP and COBB sways that will fit collecting dust in my garage.... and they are reasonably priced. But I also like the 09' 5 doors for practicality and under the radar style.

2009-04-23, 09:30 PM	#9
Skidder EJ18 Real Name: Steve Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lake Tahoe Posts: 48 Car: 2010 WRX Class: DS Life is to short to drink cheap beer	So i guess the 07 STI's had a horrible stock tune... where they would basically fry the rings. But i guess its nothing to worry about because Subaru is pretty good about talking care of you if the car is stock (and under warranty). As far as everything else... yup not really new to the Subaru game. COBB builds their parts to fit several models without having to be retooled, so to put the sway on either cars all you do is mount it on different sides of the endlinks. Well I think that's how it goes?

2009-04-24, 05:20 PM	#12
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	From that list, the 335 XI is by far the best car for a sporty, refined DD... However, I love our 07 Limited, it is the perfect balance of fun and comfort. I could be comfortable in a 08-09 STi as a DD though, as long as it were to stay mostly stock. I'd pass on the rest, there are too many "little things" that disqualify the rest in my opinion. What is this about the limited tune? I've never heard of an issue, can you provide a link? I'm curious. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2009-04-24, 05:35 PM	#13
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Personally, if I were spending around $30k on a fun DD, I'd go w/ a '08 STi. Sure they're a little harsh, but my GF (fiance!) has a Saab 9-3 which is plenty cushy for a long trip or something. IMO, the STi in stock form is plenty refined for putting up with daily, has plenty of power to spare, has plenty of cargo space/4-door practicality, AWD for the snow, and can go to the track w/ just a set of brake pads tossed in the Brembos. If I could sell the race car and the SVX for decent prices, I'd be all over an '08/'09 STi. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2009-04-24, 07:52 PM	#14
Skidder EJ18 Real Name: Steve Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lake Tahoe Posts: 48 Car: 2010 WRX Class: DS Life is to short to drink cheap beer	Yeah... i drove an 06' STi from SF to Tahoe. The seats were a little uncomfortable for the long drive, but all in all it seems like a very livable DD. MattR: I read way too much crap on nasioc, its probably not healthy. But since 07' Subaru started using open loop and closed loop maps for the STi's and the tuning was crap... that's why they keep issuing reflashes for the 07-09 STi's. All in all I think its nothing to worry about... its probably something the nasioc kids blew out of proportion. An I love the new STi's... some don't... but i do. I have not driven it yet because lithia doesn't have any to test drive. Its on my list of things to do. and if the BMW wasn't 45K it would be really hard to choose between the two

2009-04-24, 09:10 PM	#15
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	If you really like the BMW's, isn't the 135i quite a bit cheaper than a 335i? __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2009-04-24, 09:23 PM	#16
Skidder EJ18 Real Name: Steve Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lake Tahoe Posts: 48 Car: 2010 WRX Class: DS Life is to short to drink cheap beer	The practicality is way down with a 2 door, 4 seater, RWD. Also I just don't like how the rocker panels are curved. And I'm pretty sure they are still high 30's. If i was going for that small of a car i would look at one of those Hyndai Genesis coupes... cheaper, more reliable, brembos, and a LSD. (only M-series BMWs have LSDs these days)

2009-04-25, 03:29 PM	#17
wrxkidid EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Incline Village, NV Posts: 1,232 Car: 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd. 5.7l Class: None :/ Cory, just put a 4g63 in it.	I loved my evo. Although it may not be as practical. Long trips suck, because there are no cruise control, but i never had any problems with the seats they were comfy enough for me and no one ever complained. The 08 STi would be sweet. 4 doors, wagon, and fast, I would sport it haha. Another option you could look at is the Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliarts? they are a 2.0l turbocharged 237 HP motor with mivec. Never driven one but ridden in one and they get up and scoot, and they wont rape your wallet either. __________________ Mosey down the road.

2009-04-25, 03:59 PM	#18
Skidder EJ18 Real Name: Steve Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lake Tahoe Posts: 48 Car: 2010 WRX Class: DS Life is to short to drink cheap beer	Ralliart is a good option... but lack of manual trans makes it a no go; I'll take mine without the slappy paddle sissy shifter please.

2009-04-25, 10:24 PM	#19
wrxkidid EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Incline Village, NV Posts: 1,232 Car: 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd. 5.7l Class: None :/ Cory, just put a 4g63 in it.	very true. i did hear that it works pretty damn well though. __________________ Mosey down the road.

2009-04-25, 11:01 PM	#20
100_Percent_Juice (40 percent vodka) Real Name: Joel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,446 Car: 2004WRX Class: Baby-Hauler/GroceryGetter	09 wrx. /thread __________________ "A power nap is when you sleep on someone who is weaker than you." - Dimitri Martin

2009-04-26, 01:17 AM	#22
wrxkidid EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Incline Village, NV Posts: 1,232 Car: 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd. 5.7l Class: None :/ Cory, just put a 4g63 in it.	worry wort __________________ Mosey down the road.

2009-04-26, 10:35 AM	#24
DaveWRX EJ22 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: N Reno Posts: 239 Car: 03 WRB WRX	I still think the 09 WRX would be the best bet. It's faster than previous years and already has a very nice suspension. Comfortable ride as well. I'm 6'5 and it was a joy to drive one.

2009-04-26, 12:04 PM	#25
Evo Mike EJ251 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 513	my vote goes to the new Evo X GSR with SSS, Aero, and Nav. You can get em for as low as 29k$ plus TTL. It all highly depends on what you want. If you want to mod it and go fast, the Evo's are the way to go. Even though it's a subie forum.. most subie guys will agree. However, the STi's are much nicer cars all around. The interior doesn't look half bad and the drivetrain is fuking awesome. My point being, there are ups and downs for either car. I've owned an evo VIII and an M3.. and my bro owns an "STi". All in all, I like the new X best.. but it must have the nav, sss, and aero.. otherwise, my vote goes to the last model of the older body style STi. The list you put up compare totally different cars. If you want lux, go with BMW, Volvo, Mercedes, maybe even VW.. It all depends on what YOU want. __________________ I Can't Believe My Friends.... Drive WRX's....