Lightweight RWD Subaru? Toyobaru... - Page 4 - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

sperry · 2011-08-25, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by WRXlerate

I don't know why subaru has not switched to direct injection, they are falling behind the times. I was hoping to see it when they switched the body style in '08.

The revision to the EJ motor that went into the 2011 Forester is purportedly the first step in a DI motor. The 2012's are supposed to finally have direct injection. Not that it will likely be in the turbo motors that soon. But Subaru has to really do something to get their mileage up... it's too big of a selling point these days, and people don't understand the reason Subaru's mileage numbers aren't as good as other 4-bangers is because of the AWD losses.

A1337STI · 2011-08-29, 02:06 PM

I wish part of their MPG solution was to lighten up their cars...

with all the modern safety standards I'm not sure they can really do a lot in that area though...

Libila · 2011-09-06, 05:25 PM

Not that this really says anything that the Jalopnik didn't but...

http://www.subaru-global.com/11frankfurt/teaser/

Nick Koan · 2011-11-01, 10:49 AM

Subaru is teasing the presses with a "Concept STi" version of the BRZ to be unveiled at the LA Auto show in two weeks.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/n...led-2011-11-01

They released a pic, but say it isn't the same as what will be unveiled.

Nick Koan · 2011-11-01, 11:53 AM

Some more "photos"

http://jalopnik.com/5855327/subaru-b...lery/gallery/1

cody · 2011-11-01, 11:55 AM

Not bad. Looks like an RX-8.

Nick Koan · 2011-11-16, 10:18 AM

Closer to the real thing

http://jalopnik.com/5860120/

Important bits:

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a 2.0-liter four developed exclusively for the BRZ, with Toyota's direct-injection tech

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Subaru also says the BRZ STI's engine sits 120 mm (4.72 inches) lower than those of other Subaru models, and 240 mm (9.45 inches) closer to the center of the chassis. Thus the ultra-low center of gravity.

Bob Danger · 2011-11-29, 06:56 PM

Here they are the GT-86, and the BRZ.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/s...led-2011-11-29

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/t...led-2011-11-28

cody · 2011-11-29, 07:00 PM

The BRZ looks so much better than the GT-86.

100_Percent_Juice · 2011-11-30, 11:16 AM

At 0:46 of the GT-86 video there is a really sweet looking badge.

Nick Koan · 2011-11-30, 09:50 PM

And here is the Scion version that the US will be getting instead of the Toyota.

http://jalopnik.com/5864045/

Basically the same as the Toyota version.

EDIT: I didn't notice this before.

This must be the badge you were talking about juice.

100_Percent_Juice · 2011-11-30, 10:20 PM

Yeah that's the one I'm talking about. Only the one is the video is painted and looks way better. Here is a screen shot.

IheartSTI · 2011-12-02, 07:18 AM

i saw the scion version at sema. looked amazing! i was really surprised and i think it was the coolest car at sema 2011.

Nick Koan · 2011-12-02, 09:43 AM

It took me a long time to figure out what that logo was. For a long time, I seriously did think it was a stylized BS.

sperry · 2011-12-02, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by IheartSTI

i saw the scion version at sema. looked amazing! i was really surprised and i think it was the coolest car at sema 2011.

That was the concept car at SEMA, no?

I actually think the production Scion FR-S is rather ho-hum... at least the interior is friggen plain/cheap. Of course, that's the point, I guess.

The production BRZ's interior is a lot nicer... but the exterior is boring. Looks like the best version is the Toyota GT 86 we're not getting in the US (as usual). That said, if this car is as fun to drive as the reviews are hinting, and I fit in it, and it's in the $25k range... I may change my plans of picking up an older 911 in favor of a new BRZ.

Nick Koan · 2011-12-02, 10:13 AM

Well then, good news for you!

http://jalopnik.com/5864550/

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The BRZ will reportedly start at around $24,000 and rise to $27,000 for the Limited model.

sperry · 2011-12-02, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan

Well then, good news for you!

http://jalopnik.com/5864550/

Nice... since I wouldn't get the Limited model anyway. Who wants leather in a car like this? In fact, it's a shame the car comes with Nav standard... I'd rather have no stereo.

Of course... $24,000 on launch day is $32,000 after the dealer markup on a "limited production" car.

Nick Koan · 2011-12-02, 12:51 PM

Road and Track has their test drive article up.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/dr...013-subaru-brz

The reason I'm posting this here?

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There are two possible negatives inside. Subaru may call this a 2+2, but that’s being optimistic. It’s more like a 2+ kids. Subaru points out, howevever, that with the folding rear seatback you can fit a pair of golf bags or four racing tires, helmet and tools in back.

Nick Koan · 2011-12-02, 01:43 PM

Because race car

YouTube

Edit: I can also see "Proud of BOXER" becoming a thing.

AtomicLabMonkey · 2011-12-02, 06:15 PM

Sick.

If I didn't need awd, I'd consider that for the next car.

Kevin M · 2011-12-02, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

Sick.

If I didn't need awd, I'd consider that for the next car.

Even around here, I can get AWD in a Subaru for under $5k. This car has me re-assessing medium-term financial planning.

AtomicLabMonkey · 2011-12-02, 10:43 PM

Yeah.. I don't need a sub-$5k shitpile, I already have one of those. My next car is going to be actually nice..

sperry · 2011-12-02, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

Yeah.. I don't need a sub-$5k shitpile, I already have one of those. My next car is going to be actually nice..

I was going to say... Who really wants a sub $5k Subaru? Especially when any awd Subaru that barely runs is worth about $3000, I can't imagine what $5k gets you.

...unless you want an svx of course. Because $6k will get you my svx and it's in great shape.

cody · 2011-12-03, 12:22 PM

How does this compare to something like the Hyundai Genesis Coup? Without doing any of my own research, wouldn't the Hyundai be faster for the same money?

Nick Koan · 2011-12-03, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cody

How does this compare to something like the Hyundai Genesis Coup? Without doing any of my own research, wouldn't the Hyundai be faster for the same money?

The 2.0T coupe is 210 hp, but in a bigger car with 500+ more pounds. That's $23K. The V6 adds 100hp, and 100 lbs for $27k.

So, I'd personally take the base BRZ (or even the scion) over the 2.0T. Since there is no BRZ STI, the v6 genesis coupe might be a beter deal for straighline speed. Everyone is raving about the BRZ handling, though, so I'd probably still test drive both.

2011-08-29, 02:06 PM	#77
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	I wish part of their MPG solution was to lighten up their cars... with all the modern safety standards I'm not sure they can really do a lot in that area though... __________________ Fighting uphill battles, one bullet at a time!

2011-11-01, 10:49 AM	#79
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Subaru is teasing the presses with a "Concept STi" version of the BRZ to be unveiled at the LA Auto show in two weeks. http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/n...led-2011-11-01 They released a pic, but say it isn't the same as what will be unveiled. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2011-11-01, 11:53 AM	#80
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Some more "photos" http://jalopnik.com/5855327/subaru-b...lery/gallery/1 __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2011-11-01, 11:55 AM	#81
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Not bad. Looks like an RX-8. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2011-11-29, 06:56 PM	#83
Bob Danger Tape Terrorist Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Melmac Posts: 1,792 Car: ? Class: Retired! Warning: Prolonged eye contact may cause insanity	Here they are the GT-86, and the BRZ. http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/s...led-2011-11-29 http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/t...led-2011-11-28 __________________ A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi.

2011-09-06, 05:25 PM	#78
Libila EJ205 Real Name: Tim Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,384 Car: '94 L	Not that this really says anything that the Jalopnik didn't but... http://www.subaru-global.com/11frankfurt/teaser/

2011-11-29, 07:00 PM	#84
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	The BRZ looks so much better than the GT-86. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2011-11-30, 11:16 AM	#85
100_Percent_Juice (40 percent vodka) Real Name: Joel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,446 Car: 2004WRX Class: Baby-Hauler/GroceryGetter	At 0:46 of the GT-86 video there is a really sweet looking badge. __________________ "A power nap is when you sleep on someone who is weaker than you." - Dimitri Martin

2011-11-30, 09:50 PM	#86
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	And here is the Scion version that the US will be getting instead of the Toyota. http://jalopnik.com/5864045/ Basically the same as the Toyota version. EDIT: I didn't notice this before. This must be the badge you were talking about juice. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN Last edited by Nick Koan; 2011-11-30 at 09:54 PM.

2011-11-30, 10:20 PM	#87
100_Percent_Juice (40 percent vodka) Real Name: Joel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,446 Car: 2004WRX Class: Baby-Hauler/GroceryGetter	Yeah that's the one I'm talking about. Only the one is the video is painted and looks way better. Here is a screen shot. __________________ "A power nap is when you sleep on someone who is weaker than you." - Dimitri Martin

2011-12-02, 07:18 AM	#88
IheartSTI EJ22 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Reno soon.... Posts: 473 Car: 05 sti and 08 honda fit have fun	i saw the scion version at sema. looked amazing! i was really surprised and i think it was the coolest car at sema 2011. __________________ live one day at a time

2011-12-02, 09:43 AM	#89
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	It took me a long time to figure out what that logo was. For a long time, I seriously did think it was a stylized BS. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2011-12-02, 06:15 PM	#95
AtomicLabMonkey Nightwalker Real Name: Austin Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Oshkosh, WI Posts: 4,063 Car: '13 WRX YGBSM	Sick. If I didn't need awd, I'd consider that for the next car. __________________ "None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you.. you're locked in here with me."

2011-12-02, 10:43 PM	#97
AtomicLabMonkey Nightwalker Real Name: Austin Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Oshkosh, WI Posts: 4,063 Car: '13 WRX YGBSM	Yeah.. I don't need a sub-$5k shitpile, I already have one of those. My next car is going to be actually nice.. __________________ "None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you.. you're locked in here with me."

2011-12-03, 12:22 PM	#99
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	How does this compare to something like the Hyundai Genesis Coup? Without doing any of my own research, wouldn't the Hyundai be faster for the same money? __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

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