Thoughts on new Sti? - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

doubleurx · 2012-08-12, 09:40 AM

I'm thinking about getting a new wrx or sti. Any of you folks have the newer generation? I'm curious how they compare. I've looked at used, but it appears new is going to be a better value. Definitely miss my old car.

MattR · 2012-08-12, 08:35 PM

Honestly, I haven't driven one, I sat in one at the dealer, I really like the interior and the cabin. I gotta think they're a pretty sweet car still. I'd buy one and slap some wheels on it and leave the rest alone, and have a sweet reliable and fun daily driver. I also really like the way the sedan looks...

doubleurx · 2012-08-12, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MattR

Honestly, I haven't driven one, I sat in one at the dealer, I really like the interior and the cabin. I gotta think they're a pretty sweet car still. I'd buy one and slap some wheels on it and leave the rest alone, and have a sweet reliable and fun daily driver. I also really like the way the sedan looks...

Really?

I was thinking more along the lines of slamming it with some 13's and some 6" spacers. Man that mini has made you soft.......you big pussy!

MattR · 2012-08-13, 06:43 AM

I know, I'm just a big daisy these days...

Dean · 2012-08-13, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MattR

I know, I'm just a big daisy these days...

Wouldn't that be if you bought a VW bug?

You might also consider a Legacy GT! H6 or 2.5T...

MattR · 2012-08-13, 09:54 AM

We did drive the Legacy, I would definitely choose the H6 in that case.

Dean · 2012-08-13, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MattR

We did drive the Legacy, I would definitely choose the H6 in that case.

Really, what was wrong with the turbo 2.5?

Nick Koan · 2012-08-13, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean

Really, what was wrong with the turbo 2.5?

The 3.6L H6 is about the same on power (a little less if I recall correctly) but it also runs on 87 octane.

doubleurx · 2012-08-13, 12:32 PM

So they still make the legacy GT? That could be nice as well. I really miss my STI, but a WRX may work just fine for winter use. The P-car is great, just getting a little tight when hauling around the two teenagers. It might be nice to not get it so pelted with rocks every winter as well. I like the looks of both the sedan and the wagon, but considering wagon for practical reasons. My son is also getting close to driving age (next year), so maybe I should be thinking '78 GL instead! I'm sure you can guess which car he's pushing to drive.

Nick Koan · 2012-08-13, 12:46 PM

Looking at Subaru's homepage, it doesn't seem like they are offering the Legacy GT anymore (or an Outback XT for that matter).

That sucks.

doubleurx · 2012-08-13, 12:59 PM

I just saw that and in most cases - auto only for tranny.

sperry · 2012-08-13, 01:20 PM

Subaru's really tried to streamline their lineup over the last few years:

- All Legacies are sedans
- All Outbacks are wagons
- No more turbo wagons
- No more manual wagons

And with the Impreza chassis being as large as it's become, I can see why there's no need to sell a Legacy GT or Outback XT; the WRX already fills that spot well. There are almost no people that want WRX performance *and* Legacy/Outback space. People that want a sporty car tend to want the slightly smaller car... which is as big as the Legacies used to be anyway.

IMO, the last awesome niche car Subaru made was the '09 Outback XT: turbo motor, manual gearbox, wagon utility, sleeper looks. Since then, it's either economy, performance, or utility: pick one.

Dean · 2012-08-13, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by doubleurx

I just saw that and in most cases - auto only for tranny.

I know in '11 there was a legacy GT Limited that had the 2.5 Turbo and 6speed... (Or was it 5?) Don't know for sure they had it in '12 or will in '13.

MattR · 2012-08-13, 05:45 PM

You're correct on the '11 Dean, but a nice one is hard to find.

doubleurx · 2012-08-13, 05:52 PM

So it looks like wrx or sti will be the option then.........or the '78 gl.

doubleurx · 2012-08-15, 11:20 AM

I may have found one! Plasma Blue Pearl 5 door sti. Seeing what they can do on price. Hoping for under invoice.

cody · 2012-08-15, 03:52 PM

When will the next body style come out and will there be a bump in power? I haven't been paying attention to the "buzz".

A1337STI · 2012-08-15, 04:20 PM

I've heard they are going to reduce weight (as a rumor) if the weight savings are big the same 305hp would feel like a bump ...

but i think they could get 350 out of the car pretty easily ... then again they are switching to a 1.6 direct injection turboed motor ... so i dunno

doubleurx · 2012-08-16, 10:56 AM

The 2013 is unchanged from 2012. If there is anything different it is supposedly very minor.

A1337STI · 2012-08-16, 01:32 PM

sorry i was talking about the 2014 WRX/STI which won't be an impreza... ya the 2013 will be teh 2012 with 1 digit different in the VIN and most likely nothing else changed.

rory_a · 2012-08-20, 04:07 PM

I'd love to get a new ('08-'12) STI hatch to replace Jenn's '10 Impreza hatch as the primary family car. The 6-speed, brakes, and S-Drive are what would drive me to get an STI over a WRX - being able to set three different tunes, the interior, etc., make me want to sell the '04 and start over.

The GR chassis is much more solid than the GD, although it does like to get upset by mid-turn bumps (soft Impreza suspension most likely the cause). The noise level, interior and exterior styling, and over all fit and finish make it a much more refined car - however the all-plastic door cards are obnoxious.

sperry · 2012-08-20, 09:39 PM

si Drive is pretty useless. All it does is remap the drive by wire throttle, so on lower settings, it's literally the same as just not pressing the throttle as far down. That's it. In fact, on my OBXT, putting it in "intelligent" mode results in the worst gas mileage.

Now, if aftermarket reflashes are able to use the si drive knob to actually switch full boost/timing/fuel maps, that would be awesome, but I'm pretty sure all you can do is remap the throttle pedal curve. As such, I'd be happier with another cup holder or the bigger seat heater buttons than si drive. At the least, they could have made it a 3way switch on the steering wheel instead of taking up the center console with a big knob.

MattR · 2012-08-20, 10:14 PM

I think a 5 series BMW with X Drive is the way to go. just sayin.

doubleurx · 2012-08-21, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MattR

I think a 5 series BMW with X Drive is the way to go. just sayin.

Nah. I had the 335xi for three years, and that car was pretty boring to me. About 2 months into it and I was missing my STI.

At any rate, I struck a deal on a Plasma Blue Pearl STI hatch, with SPT exhaust, STI short shifter, home link, and a couple minor options for $500 under invoice.

I get it in October. I'm pretty stoked!

MattR · 2012-08-21, 07:24 PM

Sweet!!!!!!!!!! Way to go Nick, should be a good occasion to have a get together. Maybe we can go drag-race some semis on I80

like the good old days

2012-08-12, 09:40 AM	#1
doubleurx EJ205 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 1,948	Thoughts on new Sti? I'm thinking about getting a new wrx or sti. Any of you folks have the newer generation? I'm curious how they compare. I've looked at used, but it appears new is going to be a better value. Definitely miss my old car. __________________ Does it have a motor..............Does it have a motor?

2012-08-12, 08:35 PM	#2
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Honestly, I haven't driven one, I sat in one at the dealer, I really like the interior and the cabin. I gotta think they're a pretty sweet car still. I'd buy one and slap some wheels on it and leave the rest alone, and have a sweet reliable and fun daily driver. I also really like the way the sedan looks... __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2012-08-13, 06:43 AM	#4
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	I know, I'm just a big daisy these days... __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2012-08-13, 09:54 AM	#6
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	We did drive the Legacy, I would definitely choose the H6 in that case. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2012-08-13, 12:32 PM	#9
doubleurx EJ205 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 1,948	So they still make the legacy GT? That could be nice as well. I really miss my STI, but a WRX may work just fine for winter use. The P-car is great, just getting a little tight when hauling around the two teenagers. It might be nice to not get it so pelted with rocks every winter as well. I like the looks of both the sedan and the wagon, but considering wagon for practical reasons. My son is also getting close to driving age (next year), so maybe I should be thinking '78 GL instead! I'm sure you can guess which car he's pushing to drive. __________________ Does it have a motor..............Does it have a motor?

2012-08-13, 12:46 PM	#10
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Looking at Subaru's homepage, it doesn't seem like they are offering the Legacy GT anymore (or an Outback XT for that matter). That sucks. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2012-08-13, 12:59 PM	#11
doubleurx EJ205 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 1,948	I just saw that and in most cases - auto only for tranny. __________________ Does it have a motor..............Does it have a motor?

2012-08-13, 01:20 PM	#12
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Subaru's really tried to streamline their lineup over the last few years: - All Legacies are sedans - All Outbacks are wagons - No more turbo wagons - No more manual wagons And with the Impreza chassis being as large as it's become, I can see why there's no need to sell a Legacy GT or Outback XT; the WRX already fills that spot well. There are almost no people that want WRX performance and Legacy/Outback space. People that want a sporty car tend to want the slightly smaller car... which is as big as the Legacies used to be anyway. IMO, the last awesome niche car Subaru made was the '09 Outback XT: turbo motor, manual gearbox, wagon utility, sleeper looks. Since then, it's either economy, performance, or utility: pick one. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2012-08-13, 05:45 PM	#14
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	You're correct on the '11 Dean, but a nice one is hard to find. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2012-08-13, 05:52 PM	#15
doubleurx EJ205 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 1,948	So it looks like wrx or sti will be the option then.........or the '78 gl. __________________ Does it have a motor..............Does it have a motor?

2012-08-15, 11:20 AM	#16
doubleurx EJ205 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 1,948	I may have found one! Plasma Blue Pearl 5 door sti. Seeing what they can do on price. Hoping for under invoice. __________________ Does it have a motor..............Does it have a motor?

2012-08-15, 03:52 PM	#17
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	When will the next body style come out and will there be a bump in power? I haven't been paying attention to the "buzz". __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2012-08-15, 04:20 PM	#18
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	I've heard they are going to reduce weight (as a rumor) if the weight savings are big the same 305hp would feel like a bump ... but i think they could get 350 out of the car pretty easily ... then again they are switching to a 1.6 direct injection turboed motor ... so i dunno __________________ Fighting uphill battles, one bullet at a time!

2012-08-16, 10:56 AM	#19
doubleurx EJ205 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 1,948	The 2013 is unchanged from 2012. If there is anything different it is supposedly very minor. __________________ Does it have a motor..............Does it have a motor?

2012-08-16, 01:32 PM	#20
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	sorry i was talking about the 2014 WRX/STI which won't be an impreza... ya the 2013 will be teh 2012 with 1 digit different in the VIN and most likely nothing else changed. __________________ Fighting uphill battles, one bullet at a time!

2012-08-20, 04:07 PM	#21
rory_a EJ251 Real Name: Rory Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 607 Car: Miata, shit. Class: Out Classed NOW WITH 100% LESS STI!	I'd love to get a new ('08-'12) STI hatch to replace Jenn's '10 Impreza hatch as the primary family car. The 6-speed, brakes, and S-Drive are what would drive me to get an STI over a WRX - being able to set three different tunes, the interior, etc., make me want to sell the '04 and start over. The GR chassis is much more solid than the GD, although it does like to get upset by mid-turn bumps (soft Impreza suspension most likely the cause). The noise level, interior and exterior styling, and over all fit and finish make it a much more refined car - however the all-plastic door cards are obnoxious.

2012-08-20, 09:39 PM	#22
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	si Drive is pretty useless. All it does is remap the drive by wire throttle, so on lower settings, it's literally the same as just not pressing the throttle as far down. That's it. In fact, on my OBXT, putting it in "intelligent" mode results in the worst gas mileage. Now, if aftermarket reflashes are able to use the si drive knob to actually switch full boost/timing/fuel maps, that would be awesome, but I'm pretty sure all you can do is remap the throttle pedal curve. As such, I'd be happier with another cup holder or the bigger seat heater buttons than si drive. At the least, they could have made it a 3way switch on the steering wheel instead of taking up the center console with a big knob. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2012-08-20, 10:14 PM	#23
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	I think a 5 series BMW with X Drive is the way to go. just sayin. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2012-08-21, 07:24 PM	#25
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Sweet!!!!!!!!!! Way to go Nick, should be a good occasion to have a get together. Maybe we can go drag-race some semis on I80 like the good old days __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

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