Where's the tricked out factory WRX's to compete with EVO's? - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

dustinr · 2004-07-28, 12:20 PM

I read Mitsubishi is coming out with a EVO MR VFQ in europe which is putting down 400hp and 380lb torque. It will be a limited edition car which sells for around 40K lbs which is super cheap compared to the cars which it can hang with performance wise...think Porsche Carrera GT...Mit's says 0-60 times around 3.8sec and a top speed of 175mph limited. They also said they could have gotten 450hp out of the 2 litre engine but didn't want to up the cost too much. Still comes with the 3 year warranty also. That's Cool! I think Subaru is falling behind... The Evo used to have the better handling and the WRX a better engine but I think that's gone now too... looks like Subaru is down to a better gas tank and nicer interior. Subaru better come out with some cool new stuff or I might have to defect to the other side

sperry · 2004-07-28, 12:31 PM

Where's the "The EVO is a sick car, but I'd still rather stick to my WRX/STi" poll option?

Also, don't forget an STi w/ a reflash and exhaust puts down a ton of power and even with the mods still costs $7000 cheaper. And just think what you'd get out of an STi if you spend $40k! :shock: Besides, it's not like Mitsubishi's warranty is worth anything.

MattR · 2004-07-28, 12:32 PM

Please tell me I don't have to read thru another EVO vs WRX thread...Nasioc only has about 1,000,000 of them already

sperry · 2004-07-28, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MattR

Please tell me I don't have to read thru another EVO vs WRX thread...Nasioc only has about 1,000,000 of them already

No one's making you read/post in here... go pretend to moderate or something.

sperry · 2004-07-28, 12:35 PM

By the way, what's "EVO MR VFQ" stand for?

Every vehicle operates, minus reliability, very fucking quickly?

AtomicLabMonkey · 2004-07-28, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

Where's the "The EVO is a sick car, but I'd still rather stick to my WRX/STi" poll option?

Or the "They're both pretty cool, but I can't afford either one of the damn things" poll option?

Nick Koan · 2004-07-28, 01:25 PM

Personally, I'm suprised Mitsubishi has the money or wherewithal to release anything like that

Although, I'm sure one of the million special edition Impreza's that never come here could match that performance.

JC · 2004-07-28, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nKoan

Personally, I'm suprised Mitsubishi has the money or wherewithal to release anything like that

Although, I'm sure one of the million special edition Impreza's that never come here could match that performance.

Not likely. They just lifted the 280hp thing in Japan, I'm sure Subaru will spice it up soon.

JC

ArthurS · 2004-07-28, 02:01 PM

I wish I could afford the CTS-V.

Kevin M · 2004-07-28, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

By the way, what's "EVO MR VFQ" stand for?

Every vehicle operates, minus reliability, very fucking quickly?

You're actually right about the VFQ part. It's the FQ300 and FQ330 designators.

Kevin M · 2004-07-28, 02:55 PM

Oh, and the Evo MR is as good as it's going to get in the US. Better track car than the STi out of the box, but I'd take an STi as my primary car.

Kevin M · 2004-07-28, 02:58 PM

Lastly, what about this? I need somebody to post the other cool link to that car, I couldn't find it.

U53D · 2004-07-28, 03:06 PM

I want to put it in the gas tank right now...

tysonK · 2004-07-28, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dustinr

I read Mitsubishi is coming out with a EVO MR VFQ in europe which is putting down 400hp and 380lb torque. It will be a limited edition car which sells for around 40K lbs which is super cheap compared to the cars which it can hang with performance wise...think Porsche Carrera GT...Mit's says 0-60 times around 3.8sec and a top speed of 175mph limited. They also said they could have gotten 450hp out of the 2 litre engine but didn't want to up the cost too much. Still comes with the 3 year warranty also. That's Cool! I think Subaru is falling behind... The Evo used to have the better handling and the WRX a better engine but I think that's gone now too... looks like Subaru is down to a better gas tank and nicer interior. Subaru better come out with some cool new stuff or I might have to defect to the other side

umm 3.5sec, 210mph for the GT, and I doubt the EVO stops better, or has more grip.

JC · 2004-07-28, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

Lastly, what about this? I need somebody to post the other cool link to that car, I couldn't find it.

That's not a factory car though. I'm sure there are tuner STis that are faster.

IheartSTI · 2004-07-28, 11:58 PM

i went and looked at the new EVO RS today and it is bad ass, but the 4g63 is known for having problems as soon as u tuch the motor.....or even if u dont

dustinr · 2004-07-29, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tysonK

umm 3.5sec, 210mph for the GT, and I doubt the EVO stops better, or has more grip.

Uh, semantics... 3 hundreths of a second..is it worth the extra $300,000? I was just throwing out an example of a high performance car.

sperry · 2004-07-29, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tysonK

umm 3.5sec, 210mph for the GT, and I doubt the EVO stops better, or has more grip.

Uh, semantics... 3 hundreths of a second..is it worth the extra $300,000? I was just throwing out an example of a high performance car.

Well, that 3 hundreths of a second in the 0-60 (actually the 0-60 is 3.2s according to Motor Trend) continues to translate into a 0-100 of 7.06s, and very low 11s in the 1/4. If you want to talk about raw acceleration, the Porsche dominates the EVO MR VFQ. And don't even get started on handling.

A closer comparison would have been to a Porsche Turbo S, which costs $131k.

And if the EVO MR VFQ costs the same here as it will in England, it'll cost about $73,000. (40k GBP = $72,685) Once again, imagine the the performance of an STi with $20k put into it, and then imagine what another $20k feels like in your back pocket.

Granted cars are usually more expensive in Europe/England, and granted that EVO is going to be an uber-sick car, I think you'd do much better to buy a "lower model" car like a WRX or STi or EVO8 and mod it to beyond those performance levels for cheaper... or just buy a Porsche.

i.e. "Special Edition" vehicles are marked up more than their worth.

dknv · 2004-07-29, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry

... and then imagine what another $20k feels like in your back pocket.

Then for the people who don't need another $20k in their back pocket - just get one of the limited edition GT2's and run it in autocross :shock: This guy was in our Evo school, and also ran in the weekend event.

sperry · 2004-07-29, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry

... and then imagine what another $20k feels like in your back pocket.

Then for the people who don't need another $20k in their back pocket - just get one of the limited edition GT2's and run it in autocross :shock: This guy was in our Evo school, and also ran in the weekend event.

Um, I'd need a spare $100k in my back pocket to roll like that! :shock:

dknv · 2004-07-29, 09:14 AM

That, or a rich woman who will give you that for your engagement gift,

qksubi · 2004-07-29, 11:51 AM

Since I have both I can settle this fast

Sti is smother faster pulls harder

Evo is jerky, throw is longer in the gear box the a/c sucks the power big time
but it does handle sweet, for the money I should have bought a 2nd Sti
It feels like a cheap car, gear box is crap. I love the way it looks!
People stair at it like it is a rock star :shock:
the Sti is a better/faster car (in a straight line)

doubleurx · 2004-07-29, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by qksubi

Since I have both I can settle this fast

Sti is smother faster pulls harder

Evo is jerky, throw is longer in the gear box the a/c sucks the power big time
but it does handle sweet, for the money I should have bought a 2nd Sti
It feels like a cheap car, gear box is crap. I love the way it looks!
People stair at it like it is a rock star :shock:
the Sti is a better/faster car (in a straight line)

Tough to argue with someone who owns both. You should post that on NASIOC to stop all the whining.

Nick Koan · 2004-07-29, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by doubleurx

Tough to argue with someone who owns both. You should post that on NASIOC to stop all the whining.

unfortunately, that wouldn't stop the whining. those bastards will take any opportunity to bitch and moan.

dustinr · 2004-07-29, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by qksubi

Since I have both I can settle this fast

Sti is smother faster pulls harder

Evo is jerky, throw is longer in the gear box the a/c sucks the power big time
but it does handle sweet, for the money I should have bought a 2nd Sti
It feels like a cheap car, gear box is crap. I love the way it looks!
People stair at it like it is a rock star :shock:
the Sti is a better/faster car (in a straight line)

Can't argue with that...

And I guess you're right, for the money that you would spend on the EVO MR VFQ you should be able to get that performance out of an STI...but, not with a warranty intact. Which most people don't care about anyway, but having the car modded by the factory gives a small peace of mind. Of course If I did have that kind of cash to spend I'd have to buy a used Porsche 993 Turbo; might as well mod a boxer 6 AWD!

View Poll Results: How many WRX owners have debated switching over to the Mitsubishi EVO?
After reading all the performace reviews of the EVO I'm 2nd guessing my WRX purchase.	2	18.18%
After seeing the mod potential of the EVO I'm 2nd guessing my WRX purchase.	1	9.09%
I love my WRX and would never switch to the EVO.	8	72.73%
Voters: 11. You may not vote on this poll

2004-07-28, 12:20 PM	#1
dustinr EJ18 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 99 Car: '04 Porsche Turbo X50, '05 STi, '05 Evo MR, '02 Ducati 998, '02 Ducati MH900e love the quote "Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"	Where's the tricked out factory WRX's to compete with EVO's? I read Mitsubishi is coming out with a EVO MR VFQ in europe which is putting down 400hp and 380lb torque. It will be a limited edition car which sells for around 40K lbs which is super cheap compared to the cars which it can hang with performance wise...think Porsche Carrera GT...Mit's says 0-60 times around 3.8sec and a top speed of 175mph limited. They also said they could have gotten 450hp out of the 2 litre engine but didn't want to up the cost too much. Still comes with the 3 year warranty also. That's Cool! I think Subaru is falling behind... The Evo used to have the better handling and the WRX a better engine but I think that's gone now too... looks like Subaru is down to a better gas tank and nicer interior. Subaru better come out with some cool new stuff or I might have to defect to the other side

2004-07-28, 12:31 PM	#2
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Where's the "The EVO is a sick car, but I'd still rather stick to my WRX/STi" poll option? Also, don't forget an STi w/ a reflash and exhaust puts down a ton of power and even with the mods still costs $7000 cheaper. And just think what you'd get out of an STi if you spend $40k! :shock: Besides, it's not like Mitsubishi's warranty is worth anything. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2004-07-28, 12:32 PM	#3
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Please tell me I don't have to read thru another EVO vs WRX thread...Nasioc only has about 1,000,000 of them already __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2004-07-28, 12:35 PM	#5
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	By the way, what's "EVO MR VFQ" stand for? Every vehicle operates, minus reliability, very fucking quickly? __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2004-07-28, 01:25 PM	#7
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Personally, I'm suprised Mitsubishi has the money or wherewithal to release anything like that Although, I'm sure one of the million special edition Impreza's that never come here could match that performance. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2004-07-28, 02:01 PM	#9
ArthurS EJ207 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 3,707 Car: 2011 Chevy Battle Wagon	I wish I could afford the CTS-V. __________________ Captain Murphy: I dub thee Sir Phobos, Knight of Mars, beater of ass. Be a hitter, babe.

2004-07-28, 02:55 PM	#11
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	Oh, and the Evo MR is as good as it's going to get in the US. Better track car than the STi out of the box, but I'd take an STi as my primary car. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2004-07-28, 02:58 PM	#12
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	Lastly, what about this? I need somebody to post the other cool link to that car, I couldn't find it. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2004-07-28, 03:06 PM	#13
U53D EJ22 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 482 Car: '05 Aspen White STI Class: n00b Im "that one kid"	I want to put it in the gas tank right now... __________________ What the fuck does WTF mean?

2004-07-28, 11:58 PM	#16
IheartSTI EJ22 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Reno soon.... Posts: 473 Car: 05 sti and 08 honda fit have fun	i went and looked at the new EVO RS today and it is bad ass, but the 4g63 is known for having problems as soon as u tuch the motor.....or even if u dont

2004-07-29, 09:14 AM	#21
dknv EJ207 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: 39n53, 119w90 Posts: 2,698 Car: RX-8 Class: CS maybe	That, or a rich woman who will give you that for your engagement gift,

2004-07-29, 11:51 AM	#22
qksubi Assault Mechanic Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Reno Posts: 996 Car: 13 Sti Hatch Satin white Class: TBSP/TT-2 Aim for the EYES!	Evo vs Sti Since I have both I can settle this fast Sti is smother faster pulls harder Evo is jerky, throw is longer in the gear box the a/c sucks the power big time but it does handle sweet, for the money I should have bought a 2nd Sti It feels like a cheap car, gear box is crap. I love the way it looks! People stair at it like it is a rock star :shock: the Sti is a better/faster car (in a straight line)