Need Help - Saftey First. - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

Libila · 2004-08-17, 07:31 AM

I'm looking for a semi-local shop to build a harness bar for me. Ive searched the internet for harness bars for GVR-4's but nothing seems prominant. I have also been reading up and the galant board and it seems that many others want the same product.

The automatic seatbelts are a joke in these cars and the manual three point belt kit is way over priced for what it is. Also, many don't want a full cage in their four door because of weight (which is already a problem with these cars), price, and complication of installation. So, the harness bar and actual four or five point harnesses seem to be the best way to go, and the safest (with the exeption of a full cage).

What I need from you guys is some recommendations. If you know of any shops in the area that build roll cages that are of good quality, please let me know. A way of contact would be helpfull too. Thanks in advance.

Dean · 2004-08-17, 07:51 AM

As far as I know, there is not a mandrel tubing bender in the Reno-Carson area... IIRC this is basically a requirement for this type of construction unless you have a styraight shot accross from B-Pillar to B-Pillar...

I am not a big fan of harness bars without at least a roll bar.

Have you considered the Schroth "Rallye 3" or "Rallye 4" 4 point Harnesses? They are DOT approved and should mount to one of your stock rear seatbelt mount points. I have used both models and like them a lot, as have a number of others on the board.

Libila · 2004-08-17, 08:29 AM

Ive never heard of that type of harness before. Do you have more information?

sperry · 2004-08-17, 08:53 AM

HMS Motorsports carry the harnesses. They bolt into stock seatbelt locations, but should only be considered a suppliment for light race duty (i.e. AutoX).

http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/store.php?m=12

I would not use them on the street or on the race track, as they will get you killed in a roll-over situation. Stock seatbelts are still the safest in a roll-over unless you've got a full cage.

Libila · 2004-08-17, 09:00 PM

I see what your saying but how can just a lap belt be safer?

sperry · 2004-08-17, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Libila

I see what your saying but how can just a lap belt be safer?

Lap belts alone aren't necessarily better, but the stock 3-point should be.

Libila · 2004-08-17, 10:04 PM

But my stock "three point" is a non-locking electric slider and a seperate lap belt. I think it would be safer to wrap myself in rope than race this car with the stock belts.

Nick Koan · 2004-08-17, 10:15 PM

If you rollover with a 4 or 5 point harness without a roll cage, it can be extremely difficult to get out of the car. When the cabin deforms, its hard to determine exactly how the 4/5 point harness will be affected. You need a certain amount of space to get out of a 4/5 point harness, and if the cabin crushes around the harness (asuming the rollover doesn't crush you, but then this would be a moot point), it will effectively pin you in the car, which is the last place you want to be after a crash.

With a roll cage the cabin keeps its basic shape which makes a 4/5 point harness much safer in a rollover.

Libila · 2004-08-17, 10:34 PM

I agree, and think that a cage is the best solution. BUT, I dont think this car will be pushed to the limits of needing a cage. The car will be mostly a street car, that does some auto x, open track days, and test and tunes.

After doing a bit more research I found out the Cusco makes a four point cage for my car, but the JDM version. Mounting will take a bit more effort and I lose my glovebox.

Im really leaning toward a custom fabricated harness bar for the reasons of price, simplicity, and purpose.

Nick Koan · 2004-08-17, 10:40 PM

custom? fabricated? then my answer would then be Nate over at S-Squared. Everything I've ever seen him fabricate is great.

If Sacramento is too far away, then I have no clue (just moved up here from Sac, so I really don't know any shops up here).

IheartSTI · 2004-08-17, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean

As far as I know, there is not a mandrel tubing bender in the Reno-Carson area... IIRC this is basically a requirement for this type of construction unless you have a styraight shot accross from B-Pillar to B-Pillar...

I am not a big fan of harness bars without at least a roll bar.

Have you considered the Schroth "Rallye 3" or "Rallye 4" 4 point Harnesses? They are DOT approved and should mount to one of your stock rear seatbelt mount points. I have used both models and like them a lot, as have a number of others on the board.

a truck store in reno has a mendrel bender if you want pm me and i will give you more details

sp00ln · 2004-08-18, 01:30 AM

Not doggin you on the saftey issue, because yes, saftey first. But honestly, are you really going to be putting yourself in that kind of danger with this car? Also, shouldn't you make your car faster (both performance and power... or even running correctly) before you start thinking about this kind of stuff? I'm not trying to tell you what you're doing is wrong, but maybe offering different opinions/advice.

Libila · 2004-08-18, 09:06 AM

Ryan, the reason I am thinking of this now is because I'm still unsure what I want out of the car performance wise. I may go with a midly built 2L (2g pistons, 1g rods, stock head), or decide to go deep into it and do a 2.4L with a 60 trim. I really havent made up my mind.

sp00ln · 2004-08-18, 12:29 PM

60 trim!

Actually, if I were to get ANY turbo right now, it would be the FP3052... *drool*
http://linux.forcedperformance.net/m...egory_Code=DSM

Libila · 2004-08-19, 08:52 AM

Alright guys, lets get back on topic. Does anyone know of a shop around here that builds cages? Sac isnt too far, but if I could find something closer that would be great.

sybir · 2004-08-19, 08:58 AM

I know it's a drive, but Nate's cages are works of art.

Libila · 2004-08-19, 12:22 PM

Is that the shop in Sacramento?

MikeSTI · 2004-08-19, 12:42 PM

yep

MikeSTI · 2004-08-19, 12:43 PM

really it's in Rancho Cordova but almost Sac

Libila · 2004-08-20, 09:05 AM

Is the shop s-squared?

Nick Koan · 2004-08-20, 09:07 AM

Yes

Libila · 2004-08-20, 09:10 AM

Well alright. Ill give them a call or shoot them off an email to see what they can do. Thanks for the help guys, and Ill keep everyone informed on how it goes.

2004-08-17, 07:31 AM	#1
Libila EJ205 Real Name: Tim Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,384 Car: '94 L	Need Help - Saftey First. I'm looking for a semi-local shop to build a harness bar for me. Ive searched the internet for harness bars for GVR-4's but nothing seems prominant. I have also been reading up and the galant board and it seems that many others want the same product. The automatic seatbelts are a joke in these cars and the manual three point belt kit is way over priced for what it is. Also, many don't want a full cage in their four door because of weight (which is already a problem with these cars), price, and complication of installation. So, the harness bar and actual four or five point harnesses seem to be the best way to go, and the safest (with the exeption of a full cage). What I need from you guys is some recommendations. If you know of any shops in the area that build roll cages that are of good quality, please let me know. A way of contact would be helpfull too. Thanks in advance.

2004-08-17, 07:51 AM	#2
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	As far as I know, there is not a mandrel tubing bender in the Reno-Carson area... IIRC this is basically a requirement for this type of construction unless you have a styraight shot accross from B-Pillar to B-Pillar... I am not a big fan of harness bars without at least a roll bar. Have you considered the Schroth "Rallye 3" or "Rallye 4" 4 point Harnesses? They are DOT approved and should mount to one of your stock rear seatbelt mount points. I have used both models and like them a lot, as have a number of others on the board. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2004-08-17, 08:53 AM	#4
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	HMS Motorsports carry the harnesses. They bolt into stock seatbelt locations, but should only be considered a suppliment for light race duty (i.e. AutoX). http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/store.php?m=12 I would not use them on the street or on the race track, as they will get you killed in a roll-over situation. Stock seatbelts are still the safest in a roll-over unless you've got a full cage. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2004-08-17, 10:15 PM	#8
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	If you rollover with a 4 or 5 point harness without a roll cage, it can be extremely difficult to get out of the car. When the cabin deforms, its hard to determine exactly how the 4/5 point harness will be affected. You need a certain amount of space to get out of a 4/5 point harness, and if the cabin crushes around the harness (asuming the rollover doesn't crush you, but then this would be a moot point), it will effectively pin you in the car, which is the last place you want to be after a crash. With a roll cage the cabin keeps its basic shape which makes a 4/5 point harness much safer in a rollover. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2004-08-17, 10:40 PM	#10
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	custom? fabricated? then my answer would then be Nate over at S-Squared. Everything I've ever seen him fabricate is great. If Sacramento is too far away, then I have no clue (just moved up here from Sac, so I really don't know any shops up here). __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2004-08-17, 08:29 AM	#3
Libila EJ205 Real Name: Tim Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,384 Car: '94 L	Ive never heard of that type of harness before. Do you have more information?

2004-08-17, 09:00 PM	#5
Libila EJ205 Real Name: Tim Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,384 Car: '94 L	I see what your saying but how can just a lap belt be safer?

2004-08-17, 10:04 PM	#7
Libila EJ205 Real Name: Tim Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,384 Car: '94 L	But my stock "three point" is a non-locking electric slider and a seperate lap belt. I think it would be safer to wrap myself in rope than race this car with the stock belts.

2004-08-17, 10:34 PM	#9
Libila EJ205 Real Name: Tim Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,384 Car: '94 L	I agree, and think that a cage is the best solution. BUT, I dont think this car will be pushed to the limits of needing a cage. The car will be mostly a street car, that does some auto x, open track days, and test and tunes. After doing a bit more research I found out the Cusco makes a four point cage for my car, but the JDM version. Mounting will take a bit more effort and I lose my glovebox. Im really leaning toward a custom fabricated harness bar for the reasons of price, simplicity, and purpose.

2004-08-18, 01:30 AM	#12
sp00ln EJ205 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,196	Not doggin you on the saftey issue, because yes, saftey first. But honestly, are you really going to be putting yourself in that kind of danger with this car? Also, shouldn't you make your car faster (both performance and power... or even running correctly) before you start thinking about this kind of stuff? I'm not trying to tell you what you're doing is wrong, but maybe offering different opinions/advice. __________________ Turbo is a decent with modification.

2004-08-18, 09:06 AM	#13
Libila EJ205 Real Name: Tim Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,384 Car: '94 L	Ryan, the reason I am thinking of this now is because I'm still unsure what I want out of the car performance wise. I may go with a midly built 2L (2g pistons, 1g rods, stock head), or decide to go deep into it and do a 2.4L with a 60 trim. I really havent made up my mind.

2004-08-18, 12:29 PM	#14
sp00ln EJ205 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,196	60 trim! Actually, if I were to get ANY turbo right now, it would be the FP3052... drool http://linux.forcedperformance.net/m...egory_Code=DSM __________________ Turbo is a decent with modification.

2004-08-19, 08:52 AM	#15
Libila EJ205 Real Name: Tim Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,384 Car: '94 L	Alright guys, lets get back on topic. Does anyone know of a shop around here that builds cages? Sac isnt too far, but if I could find something closer that would be great.

2004-08-19, 08:58 AM	#16
sybir The Don Real Name: Aaron Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,097 Car: '97 Legacy / '05 FXT Class: low	I know it's a drive, but Nate's cages are works of art. __________________ Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic.

2004-08-19, 12:22 PM	#17
Libila EJ205 Real Name: Tim Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,384 Car: '94 L	Is that the shop in Sacramento?

2004-08-19, 12:42 PM	#18
MikeSTI EJ205 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,354 Car: 2004 STi Class: TSM I can't complain	yep __________________ Cobb Stage 2

2004-08-19, 12:43 PM	#19
MikeSTI EJ205 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,354 Car: 2004 STi Class: TSM I can't complain	really it's in Rancho Cordova but almost Sac __________________ Cobb Stage 2

2004-08-20, 09:05 AM	#20
Libila EJ205 Real Name: Tim Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,384 Car: '94 L	Is the shop s-squared?

2004-08-20, 09:07 AM	#21
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Yes __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2004-08-20, 09:10 AM	#22
Libila EJ205 Real Name: Tim Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,384 Car: '94 L	Well alright. Ill give them a call or shoot them off an email to see what they can do. Thanks for the help guys, and Ill keep everyone informed on how it goes.