Stupid Kids, STIs are for Adults

[Bob Danger]

So you guys remember a kid by the name of Sam, whose father bought him an 05 Crystal Gray STI, he hung out with the club for a while. Anyways Sam approached a friend of mine with an 11 second Nova talking crap like most teenagers.
He said, "My STI dynoed at 485 horsepower to the WHEELS"
When asked to run the 11 second Nova or show some form of proof he refused. I saw his car the other day, and it does not have 485 horses. Whats wrong with kids these days, they give us young racers bad names.

Sam, if you read this don't be stupid either tell the turth, or back up your claim.

[BOO]

Originally Posted by Bob Danger

So you guys remember a kid by the name of Sam, whose father bought him an 05 Crystal Gray STI, he hung out with the club for a while. Anyways Sam approached a friend of mine with an 11 second Nova talking crap like most teenagers.
He said, "My STI dynoed at 485 horsepower to the WHEELS"
When asked to run the 11 second Nova or show some form of proof he refused. I saw his car the other day, and it does not have 485 horses. Whats wrong with kids these days, they give us young racers bad names.

Sam, if you read this don't be stupid either tell the turth, or back up your claim.

(SHAKES HEAD) Some People's kids .. lol

[Kevin M]

He was at the meet last week with an Evo MR. Must suck to be him.

[MattR]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

He was at the meet last week with an Evo MR. Must suck to be him.

Totally different guy...

[sti deede]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

He was at the meet last week with an Evo MR. Must suck to be him.

What Matt said...... the guy with the MR lives on my street.

[MikeSTI]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

He was at the meet last week with an Evo MR. Must suck to be him.

what an insult

[Evo Mike]

485 to the wheels, must be running NOS and a motec stand alone

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by Bob Danger

So you guys remember a kid by the name of Sam, whose father bought him an 05 Crystal Gray STI, he hung out with the club for a while.

Teens will be teens, so whatever... but his dad is obviously an idiot if he bought his teenage son a brand new 300hp car.

[Kevin M]

Originally Posted by MattR

Totally different guy...

Okay. Must suck to be some totally different guy too.

[dknv]

I know Sam & his dad, they are family friends from my Carson City days. I would not call them an idiot.

I was thinking it was good that at least Sam did not try to 'prove' his claim -- which may have it's own set of negative consequences including breaking the law, breaking the car, etc.

Most of us don't understand the reasoning behind giving a teenager a 300hp car, or 'worse', you all have seen the stories where a 16 y/o gets a Ferrari or a Lamborghini - I guess it's that particular family's value system and financial ability. I thought the STi was going to be a car that Sam and his dad would share and do things with like autocrossing or taking it to tracks (and bond as dad & son); and least the STi is also a decent car in the winter, has great safety ratings. So maybe there are other reasons we don't see.

As far as a claim of 485 hp to the wheels - did your Nova friend ask to see the dyno chart, instead of challenging him to a duel? I mean, you can be mature about it and chalk it up to a teenager's 'talking crap', or you can try to 'put him in his place'.

The only thing in my mind that gives young racers a bad name, are those who illegally street race, and end up hurting someone.

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by dknv

I know Sam & his dad, they are family friends from my Carson City days. I would not call them an idiot.

All right, all right. You know them, I don't; I'll retract my idiot statement. It smacks of poor judgement to me though, especially if the car is primarily driven by the kid, by himself. I know what a piss-poor driver I was at that age (even though I thought I was shit-hot), as well as everybody else my age I knew at the time, so unless he's had significant car control training I wouldn't expect him to be any different.

[dknv]

Hey Austin, I didn't mean to jump into your sh## for your comment, it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. And you've been right about stuff far more often than I am ...

And, I just re-read the original post, and see where the Nova driver asked for proof, so I retract my comment about why he didn't ask to see a dyno chart.

Haha, when I was 16 I got to drive the family Ford Galaxie, what a boat! Boy, yeah, I thought I was hot shit too. I drove that thing from Fairfield, to Santa Clara & San Francisco and all over N. California, with all my friends piled in. I am lucky I never had an incident. Makes me dread when my kids start to drive. One thing is certain, they WILL have as many opportunities as possible for car control training before they get let loose.

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by dknv

Makes me dread when my kids start to drive. One thing is certain, they WILL have as many opportunities as possible for car control training before they get let loose.

Exactly my thoughts as well... :shock:

[sperry]

Originally Posted by dknv

I know Sam & his dad, they are family friends from my Carson City days. I would not call them an idiot.

I was thinking it was good that at least Sam did not try to 'prove' his claim -- which may have it's own set of negative consequences including breaking the law, breaking the car, etc.

Most of us don't understand the reasoning behind giving a teenager a 300hp car, or 'worse', you all have seen the stories where a 16 y/o gets a Ferrari or a Lamborghini - I guess it's that particular family's value system and financial ability. I thought the STi was going to be a car that Sam and his dad would share and do things with like autocrossing or taking it to tracks (and bond as dad & son); and least the STi is also a decent car in the winter, has great safety ratings. So maybe there are other reasons we don't see.

As far as a claim of 485 hp to the wheels - did your Nova friend ask to see the dyno chart, instead of challenging him to a duel? I mean, you can be mature about it and chalk it up to a teenager's 'talking crap', or you can try to 'put him in his place'.

The only thing in my mind that gives young racers a bad name, are those who illegally street race, and end up hurting someone.

I do recall Sam coming to some of our meets in the STi, *before* he even had his license. He may be a good driver, and he may have some karting experience... but he certainly shouldn't have been driving around alone on his learner's permit, especially in an STi. I've also heard rumors about him street racing others in said STi.

Regarding the horsepower claim... 485 awhp a rediculous claim to make w/o any sort of support. Hell, the "World's Fastest New Age WRX" that Easystreet made doesn't even claim to have that much power. If it's true, then Sam's dad is loony to let *anyone* drive a car like that on the street, since an STi w/ that much power would be nearly un-streetable due to the noise and idling quality alone. If it's not true, then Sam is contributing to "giving young racers a bad name" by being one of those kids that talks a lot of made up shit that instigates issues (for example getting himself challenged by another kid in a Nova).

IMO, I think the "family value system" exhibited by Sam and his father lie closer to the "idiot" side of things than the "intelligent" side of things. If Sam's father wants a bonding experience racing an STi together, and if they have the money to do it, they should build the STi to be a track car, and race it together at Stead, or at full on race tracks. It shouldn't be driven around on the street, especially not by someone that's demonstrated he's interested in impressing his friends w/ the car and its mods. I know if I had a kid that was friends w/ Sam, I certainly wouldn't want him/her out riding around in a "485 awhp" car driven by a 16 yr. old... regardless of that 16 yr. old's driving experience. It's excessive and unecessary for *anyone* to have a car that fast on the street regularly. Hell, I've got a 198 awhp car that I think is excessive for being daily driven, which is why I've now got a 134 awhp car to drive on the street.

This is of course my own opinion based on what I've seen and heard myself. I'm sure you know them better than I do, but from what I've seen, Sam's not much different from every other 16 yr. old w/ a car that's too fast, and I'd be worried about him crashing it while showing off his "mad skillz".

[Libila]

I do consider myself friends with Sam and his father even though, we havn't spoken in a while. I do disagree with what he's been doing with is car, street racing is a dangerous and stupid activity. I also disagree with his fathers actions of purchasinging him a 300hp awd car for his first car, but he hasn't crashed it so maybe i'm wrong. Besides who am i to judge anyone for anything all i can do is voice my opinion.

-Bob Danger

[Kevin M]

What bugs me about the situation is people referring to car control clinics and such as preparation for giving an inexperienced driver a fast car. I say, who cares how good he is with it on a race track. The only criteria for whether or not a young person should be allowed to drive a car like that is whether or not they have the judgement and self control to leave their skills on the racetrack and not drive the car any differently than a"proper" first car would be. There's almost never cause for going full throttle in a car liek that on the road, and definitely no cause for trying to push the limits, or even come close, in cornering and such. While it's all obviously hearsay, signs obviously point to the kid in question not possessing the proper judgement to warrant being in an STi.

[Evo Mike]

i guess a parent will know best in deciding what's best for his/her kid... even if that means buying them an STi. Also, i think a persoon is entitled to do whatever he wants with his money.. after all it is theirs and who are we to tell them how to spend it. STi's are awesome cars and there's nothing wrong with a 16 yr old kid having one. *not that it's a great idea*

as far as the horsepower claim, thats just stupid.. 485 = race block + dyno jet and tons of tuning. It might be harder for you "older" (no offense of course) guys to remember your highschool days BUT, you might be able to recall a time or two when the "racers" claimed that their car ran 11's or had xxxx horsepower.. or maybe it was just my highschool that had silly boy ricers. Point being, since he is still in Highschool, so i'm not that suprised things like that are being said. He'll get over it in like a year or two.. haha Anyway, thats just my opinion.

[JC]

I saw him pulled over on my way to work a week or two back. His car is looooow.

[sp00ln]

I street race.

[BOO]

Originally Posted by Evo Mike

i guess a parent will know best in deciding what's best for his/her kid... even if that means buying them an STi. Also, i think a persoon is entitled to do whatever he wants with his money.. after all it is theirs and who are we to tell them how to spend it. STi's are awesome cars and there's nothing wrong with a 16 yr old kid having one. *not that it's a great idea*

as far as the horsepower claim, thats just stupid.. 485 = race block + dyno jet and tons of tuning. It might be harder for you "older" (no offense of course) guys to remember your highschool days BUT, you might be able to recall a time or two when the "racers" claimed that their car ran 11's or had xxxx horsepower.. or maybe it was just my highschool that had silly boy ricers. Point being, since he is still in Highschool, so i'm not that suprised things like that are being said. He'll get over it in like a year or two.. haha Anyway, thats just my opinion.

Well said..

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by sp00ln

I street race.

That was a helpful contribution to the discussion.

[BOO]

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

That was a helpful contribution to the discussion.

Winner !!!!!!


That says he is not afraid to speak his mind .. lol

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by Evo Mike

Also, i think a persoon is entitled to do whatever he wants with his money.. after all it is theirs and who are we to tell them how to spend it.

Originally Posted by BOO

Well said..

People are just as entitled to buy whatever they want as we are to voice our opinions about said purchases.

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

What bugs me about the situation is people referring to car control clinics and such as preparation for giving an inexperienced driver a fast car.

I only mentioned it earlier because of my own experience at that age. I was Mr. Responsible for the most part, but when driving around on my own I would occasionally drive outside my skill level... fortunately I didn't get hurt. That's why my kids will have better training, in addition to the requisite coaching/understanding about how they shouldn't be doing it in the first place, etc...

[Libila]

Originally Posted by JC

I saw him pulled over on my way to work a week or two back. His car is looooow.

From what I hear, he bought some crap-brand coil overs and slammed it to the ground. For a while there he only had the front lowered because he didn't have time to install the rear ones. I think he drove around with the "raked" look for a week or two.